Ileke-IdI:

Bini's influence on Yoruba is still out for the jury to decide. [/Quote]
The Jury is out and the verdict is Guilty.  Bini influenced Yoruba plenty

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But being specific on modern influence, no tribe has yet to try that on the Yorubas. Each decade we make additional changes to our culture abd tradition. Our current wedding attire (with the fan) was not what it was 20/30yrs ago.
Our agbada are even more sophisticated than what the Hausas and Arabs can imagine.  
Bini empire's influence can only be seen in some part Ondo state.

So this girl you haven't learned your lesson eeh?  Yoruba and claim claim.  Ileke-Idi this superiority thing has no head and tail, why do am na?  The Yoruba fan is Japanese influenced, the Agbada na Arabs make am, Hausa man didn't even change it talkless Yoruba. Yoruba adopted it without changing anything.

Sudano-Sahelian Moor


Yoruba
[img]http://3.bp..com/-empZ4nBCxo4/TbF45RK9o_I/AAAAAAAABMM/yYsLTkW67FE/s1600/aso-oke-nigerian-wedding-dress.jpg[/img]

Sudano-Sahelian Tuareg
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Yoruba man


Sudano-Sahelian
[img]http://www.bikebrothers.nl/Afrika/slager.jpg[/img]

Yoruba


There is no difference except the hat.

One_Naira:

The Jury is out and the verdict is Guilty.  Bini influenced Yoruba plenty

So this girl you haven't learned your lesson eeh?  [size=28pt]Yoruba and claim claim[/size].  Ileke-Idi this superiority thing has no head and tail, why do am na?  The Yoruba fan is Japanese influenced,  The Agbada na Arabs make am,  Hausa man didn't even change it talkless Yoruba. Yoruba adopted it without changing anything.

I see that the thing dey pain you well well.



It's not about superiority. I hope inferiority complex is not bothering you here.

If Igbos were so concerned about "Arab" agbada, they would not be imitating Yoruba's agbada which looks similar to the arab's own. It's a lovable traditional attire.

okosodo:

Leave ibo alone.

I hear

Try to post my pictures dear.

You're not trying hard enough. The pictures can't cover the hate and bile you feel knowing that Yoruba influence is spreading towards your end. I think Nigeria should be well familiar with it. Even some aspect of Yoruba culture is still being practiced in Haiti, Cuba, brazil and ofcourse Togo/Benin.

Ileke-IdI:

I see that the thing dey pain you well well. 



It's not about superiority. I hope inferiority complex is not bothering you here.

If Igbos were so concerned about "Arab" agbada, they would not be imitating Yoruba's agbada which looks similar to the arab's own. It's a lovable traditional attire. 

I hear

inferority complex gini?  I'm not the one chest beating and perspiration just because I mentioned I see no cultural mixture in this photos which defeats the purpose of this topic.  .

The "Arab" agbada influenced all west Africa groups.   Even before Igbo met a Yoruba man, they wore agbada

Ukwu-burial
[img]http://migrationstoriesofnigerianigbo.files./2009/11/igbo-ukwu-burial.jpg[/img]

Turaeg learned it from the Moor, Hausa learned it from Turaeg, Yoruba learned it from Hausa.  Bini learned it from Yoruba.  Igbo learned it from Bini.  You see the cycle of this. It is neither a yoruba influence or Hausa influence which defeats the purpose of this thread.  The title should be Muti-culture accumulation across west africa and north africa.

One_Naira:

inferority complex gini?  I'm not the one chest beating and perspiration just because I mentioned I see no cultural mixture in this photos which defeats the purpose of this thread and because I'm crediting the rightful owner of the dress style.  .

The "Arab" agbada influenced all west Africa groups.   Even before Igbo meet a Yoruba man, they wore agbada

Ukwu-burial

Turaeg learned it from the Moor, Hausa learned it from Turaeg, Yoruba learned it from Hausa.  Bini learned it from Yoruba.  Igbo learned it from Bini.  You see the cycle of this. It is neither a yoruba influence or Hausa influence which defeats the purpose of this thread.  The title should be Muti-culture accumulation across west africa and north africa.   

Igbos learned nada from benue. awww, is it hurting you so bad to know that it was learned from the yorubas?

Igbos did not wear such before their mass movement to lagos and their strong connect to the SW (Yorubaland). Close contact with the Yorubas caused the changes. Looks nothing like the agbadas y'all wear nowadays. Look at the wedding pictures, look at the hat. . . . that was not there during the burials. . . . that was after Yoruba's traditional modifications.


plz post more pixs of the Arabs

Ileke-IdI:

Try to post my pictures dear.

You're not trying hard enough. The pictures can't cover the hate and bile you feel knowing that Yoruba influence is spreading towards your end. I think Nigeria should be well familiar with it.

So I have to do your homework? What kind woman you be?  Nwanyi, enlighten me on the hate and bile influence

Ileke-IdI:
 
Even some aspect of Yoruba culture is still being practiced in Haiti, Cuba, brazil and ofcourse Togo/Benin.

Chei  How is this relevant?

No need to play superiority (me) inferiority (you) contest here.

Acculturation is a beautiful thing, it should be celebrated

One_Naira:

So I have to do your homework? What kind woman you be?  Nwanyi, enlighten me on the hate and bile influence

Chei  How is this relevant?  

Based on how hard you're trying to deny multiculture/acculturation here with Google crap, I doubt you have the brain(S) to do my homework.
Which I'm effortlessly completing while breaking down your [size=18pt]jelosi[/size]-posts

Multi-tasking, a woman's gift. 

Igbo weddings

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZtPfwhICE1APoC7XOQvNB_ehf4YrOISn9nMHY9IBDj8HG39u7zs4JnfSB
www.nairaland.com/attachments/346082_cake_jpg941c6c657dd5bdbbb070541584dbc5f4


Yoruba wedding

Ileke-IdI:

Igbos learned nada from benue. awww, is it hurting you so bad to know that it was learned from the yorubas?

Igbos did not wear such before their mass movement to lagos and their strong connect to the SW (Yorubaland). Close contact with the Yorubas caused the changes. Looks nothing like the agbadas y'all wear nowadays. Look at the wedding pictures, look at the hat. . . . that was not there during the burials. . . . that was after Yoruba's traditional modifications.


plz post more pixs of the Arabs

The hat that one man was wearing is Yoruba influenced I said it na, didn't I?  

History 101:  

Igbo interacted WAY MORE with bini than we did with Yoruba and every influence beside Ibibio and other SS region was from Bini

Exhibit A (Ukwu Burial again)  
[img]http://migrationstoriesofnigerianigbo.files./2009/11/igbo-ukwu-burial.jpg[/img]

Exhibi B  
[img]http://quod.lib.umich.edu/g/gefame/images/4761563.0006.102.00000002.jpg[/img]

Exhibit C
[img]http://3.bp..com/_QVW98iGMXHI/S3TsPEHAe1I/AAAAAAAAKCQ/12JxjR_FvuA/s640/igboman.png[/img]

These pictures were taken before Igbo was first introduced to yoruba.

Heya Pele!!!!! It pains you well well Igbo learned the dress style from Bini rather than Yoruba.  Pele ohh!!!!!.

On the behalf of Bini

One_Naira:

The hat that one man was wearing is Yoruba influenced,  I said it na didn't I?  

History 101:  

Igbo interacted WAY MORE with bini than we did with Yoruba and every influence beside Ibibio and other SS region was from Bini

On another thread, you guys were claiming how benin had no influence on Igbos. now it's benin and not yorubas. PS Igbos were introduced to Yorubas long before colonization, just incase you didnt know.
LOL.
Try harder.
even the benins will tell you that agbada is not their attire, nor is the hat and the adire worn in the first pix I posted

Unless you meant Benin (country) which also retained a strong Yoruba influence.

Ileke-IdI:

No need to play superiority (me) inferiority (you) contest here.

Superiority nko, Inferiority ni   Whatever makes you sleep at night

Ileke-IdI:

Acculturation is a beautiful thing, it should be celebrated

It is.  Just don't steal another man creation and claim as your own.

Another Igbo wedding, both from the SE. Now look at the woman's attire.






The Lagos effect.

Something to celebrate. One Nigeria

I dont see the black dress/ cartoon animation traditional attire as much anymore.

Ileke-IdI:

Based on how hard you're trying to deny multiculture/acculturation here with Google crap, I doubt you have the brain(S) to do my homework.
Which I'm effortlessly completing while breaking down your [size=18pt]jelosi[/size]-posts

Multi-tasking, a woman's gift. 

I won't result to shameful insults.

I deny am?  I guess you missed The title should be Muti-culture accumulation across west africa and north africa.  

E pain you this much that agbada was influenced by Arab?  This inferiority and superiority complex all mixed into one is not good.

One_Naira:

[size=18pt] I won't result to shameful insults.
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I deny am?  I guess you missed The title should be Muti-culture accumulation across west africa and north africa.  

E pain you this much that agbada was influenced by Arab?  This inferiority and superiority complex all mixed into one is not good.

Plz, you already insult yourself and whatever little intelligence you had with your denial

Arab creation lol. You want to deny Yoruba influence so much that you're saying igbos are now copying arab tradition in this century

I expect to see you and your gangs here tomorrow.

Do not disappoint me. My HW done.

learn to celebrate your neighbors (Yorubas) and cease the hate. We're all one, no?

Ileke-IdI:

On another thread, you guys were claiming how benin had no influence on Igbos. now it's benin and not yorubas. PS Igbos were introduced to Yorubas long before colonization, just incase you didnt know.
LOL.
Try harder.
even the benins will tell you that agbada is not their attire, nor is the hat and the adire worn in the first pix I posted

Unless you meant Benin (country) which also retained a strong Yoruba influence.

Which Igbo person denied Bini influence on Igbo?  Link to the thread let me see.  The Bini influenced Ontisha, Asaba, Ukwuani, Anioma, etc. and every Igbo person is aware of this.

Of course Bini will not claim agbada as their own because it is not theirs; just like IT IS NOT YORUBA.  You will not hear a Hausa claim agbada or even Igbo.  It's a recycled dress style which origins lay at SUDANO-SAHELIAN.

PS Igbos were introduced to Yorubas long before colonization, just incase you didnt know.

It depends on the group PPS and even the extent of interaction is still out for debate

^^^ Tomorrow, we shall go over your denial more.
Multiple threads with bini influence denial. You're going to do the searching, I dont keep tracks of the threads

Ileke-IdI:



Something to celebrate. One Nigeria

I dont see the black dress/ cartoon animation traditional attire as much anymore.

Cheiii!! Chineke me!!
From his cap to his toes. Possibly he has a Yoruba father, who is more interested in his Yoruba heritage. but I doubt its the case here.

Ileke-IdI:

Plz, you already insult yourself and whatever little intelligence you had with your denial

Ileke-IdI:

Arab creation lol. You want to deny Yoruba influence so much that you're saying igbos are now copying arab tradition in this century

Only a complete F00L would deny Agbada origin is SUDANO-SAHELIAN. I see your mother dropped you way too many times. Kpele ohh



^{CRY LOUDER},  I do not think the Oduduwa region can hear your cries.

Na igbo man creation

No wonder Ileke-Idi wants to have some kind of Influence on Ndi-Igbo.  Pele!!!!.

^^^ Sofrey sofrey.

Take am easy Not that serious

Ileke-IdI:

^^^ Tomorrow, we shall go over my denial more. 

Corrected

Ileke-IdI:

Multiple threads with bini influence denial. You're going to do the searching, I dont keep tracks of the threads

You mentioned it? Show now, what kind of lazy woman you be

^^^ Tomorrow. 
I mentioned it, I dont have to search for it for you. Knowing that it's on NL--> Cultural section  is good enough for a "hardworking" boy to find lol

Just take it easy dear. No need to hate or show any complex.

BTW, Tomorrow, try to get your facts str8. If you want, bring crayola1 and ezeagu here to help.

1. Agbada is an Arab attire
2. You were influenced with agbada attire by the Binis
3. If so, why the sudden stop, and why the pick up of it after your close contact with the Yorubas? From what I saw in the pix you posted, that looked nothing like the yoruba Agbadas being worn in the SE.
4. Does that mean Igbos are being Islamized?
5. When did Islam hit bini land? If I remeber correctly, Yorubaland was first introduced to Islam.
6. Does that mean Yorubas influenced Bini? Because Agbada is not a Bini man's wear.
7. How fast are the yorubas influencing their neighbors?

Ileke-IdI:

BTW, Tomorrow, try to get your facts str8. If you want, bring crayola1 and ezeagu here to help.

1. Agbada is an Arab attire
2. You were influenced with agbada attire by the Binis
3. If so, why the sudden stop, and why the pick up of it after your close contact with the Yorubas? From what I saw in the pix you posted, that looked nothing like the yoruba Agbadas being worn in the SE.
4. Does that mean Igbos are being Islamized?
5. When did Islam hit bini land? If I remeber correctly, Yorubaland was first introduced to Islam.
6. Does that mean Yorubas influenced Bini? Because Agbada is not a Bini man's wear.
7. How fast are the yorubas influencing their neighbors?

I see this bad eyes is a disease among some yoruba group. Half of the question were answered already. 

1.) YES everyone and their mama and papa is aware of this except YOU.
2.) Refer to answer one. KPele Ohh. Ndo. Don't hate, appreciate.
3.) YORUBA AGBADA IS NON-EXISTENCE

Exhibit A (Igbo men)
[img]http://quod.lib.umich.edu/g/gefame/images/4761563.0006.102.00000002.jpg[/img]
www.nairaland.com/attachments/346082_cake_jpg941c6c657dd5bdbbb070541584dbc5f4

Exhibit B (Yoruba man)


Exhibit C (Original creator.  Sudano-Sahelian)
[img]http://www.bikebrothers.nl/Afrika/slager.jpg[/img]

4.) No It is human nature to copy individuals without any form of connection to those individuals
5.) Refer to answer 4
6.) Didn't I answer this already. 


  I guess the gentleman on top of the Horse is not from Bini because of his agbada attire eeh?

What about this one?



7.)Who knows.

Ileke-IdI:

Cheiii!! Chineke me!!
From his cap to his toes. Possibly he has a Yoruba father, who is more interested in his Yoruba heritage. but I doubt its the case here.

Just the cap Ileke-Idi.  Everything else is Igbo, why do you like claim claim so much?




[img]http://quod.lib.umich.edu/g/gefame/images/4761563.0006.102.00000004.jpg[/img]
The man behind the man with the big horn
[img]http://2.bp..com/-cS9cPHNZDyY/TcCLZlYNzUI/AAAAAAAAAVo/FkHOhLfaMUU/s400/Igwe.jpg[/img]

Look at the man behind the small boy at the right

LOL Seem like sleep no dey catch me yet. Oya let's continue.

According to your post, seems like you still need a lot of help.

According to your logic, Agbada is an Islamized attire. Islam was introduced to Yorubas before Binis. Yoruba influenced Binis with Agbadas and Binis in turn influenced th Igbso.

The first Igbo man's picture, if you check the date, you'd realized that Yorubas were doning the attiring before you were influenced. It's part of our heritage. The modernized version which we fashioned for our culture/ tradition (Different from that of Hausas and Arabs) are now being worn by Igbos in this century. Look at old pe-colonial Yoruba attire, they were dated way before the pixs you're posting.

Another part of your logic which I find interesting is how you indirectly clamed that igbos are now being Arabized/Islamized. Agbada is not a traditional Bini attire, it's a Yoruba man's.

If Islam and Islam culture was first introduced to Yorubaland, then I would think Yorubas were influenced with it before Hausas. Just that we didnt pick it up as fast.

One_Naira:

Just the cap Ileke-Idi.  Everything else is Igbo, why do you like claim claim so much?




[img]http://quod.lib.umich.edu/g/gefame/images/4761563.0006.102.00000004.jpg[/img]
The man behind the man with the big horn
[img]http://2.bp..com/-cS9cPHNZDyY/TcCLZlYNzUI/AAAAAAAAAVo/FkHOhLfaMUU/s400/Igwe.jpg[/img]

Look at the man behind the small boy at the right

Igbo being influenced by Yoruba culture. . . . thanks to Bini contact.
Accoring to your logic

But I'm more interested in how Yorubas are influencing you guys; completing the attire with the hat.

Ileke_Idi, Ikele-idi, how many times did I call you? Denial is not good ohh

Ileke-IdI:

LOL Seem like sleep no dey catch me yet. Oya let's continue.

According to your post, seems like you still need a lot of help.

According to your logic, Agbada is an Islamized attire. Islam was introduced to Yorubas before Binis. Yoruba influenced Binis with Agbadas and Binis in turn influenced th Igbso.

And so? In some logic formed by you that means Yoruba influenced Igbo.  WTF?   If we are following this logic then the credit belongs to Sudano-Sahelian.
I do not need any help; you need a lot of help.  You claim everything as Yoruba without checking up on its origin.  The hat is Yoruba that is why I've agreed with you on the cap but the outfits are not.

Ileke-IdI:

The first Igbo man's picture, if you check the date, you'd realized that Yorubas were doning the attiring before you were influenced. It's part of our heritage.

Go back to the Ofala cermony thread and reread Crayola’s answer.  It's not part of your heritage, IT IS A BORROWED ATTIRE, just like it is borrowed attire for many Nigerian groups. Nobody is going to deny Yoruba was the first Southern Nigerian group introduced to  this attire but to claim it as you own is pathetic.

Ileke-IdI:

The modernized version which we fashioned for our culture/ tradition (Different from that of Hausas and Arabs) are now being worn by Igbos in this century. Look at old pe-colonial Yoruba attire, they were dated way before the pixs you're posting.

The pictures provided by YOU prove otherwise.  I've done the comparison like multiple time even with pictures you provided and ones I found and anyone with an eyes can see in each group, the attire is identical except for the hats.   If I go seeking Sudano-Sahelian pre-colonial pictures, it will still be the same thing.  Are you trying to imply Yoruba somehow influenced Sudano-Sahelian? What?  It pains you this much to give credit to the actual creators.  It pains you this much. 

Ileke-IdI:

Another part of your logic which I find interesting is how you indirectly clamed that igbos are now being Arabized/Islamized. Agbada is not a traditional Bini attire, it's a Yoruba man's.

You vomit nonsense from your mouth but whatever makes you sleep at night.

Ileke-IdI:

If Islam and Islam culture was first introduced to Yorubaland, then I would think Yorubas were influenced with it before Hausas. Just that we didnt pick it up as fast.

Is this what you were saying? I thought you meant Yoruba was the first southern group to be introduced to Islam.  That's is accurate but to claim their introduction pre-dates Hausa or Fulani is lie. 

When it comes to Islam, Hausa learned it from Fulani.  I am not sure if Fulani were the first to be introduced to Islam but their introduction pre-dates Yoruba introduction.

Ileke-IdI:

Igbo being influenced by Yoruba culture. . . . thanks to Bini contact.
Accoring to your logic 

But I'm more interested in how Yorubas are influencing you guys; completing the attire with the hat.

I'm talking to a child ain't I?

I know Igbo swag is too much and you want to connect yourself to it but Ileke-idi It did not happen.  Pele!!!!

LOL Oh dear, time to rubbish long azz epistles. lmao!!

One_Naira:

Ileke_Idi, Ikele-idi, how many times did I call you? Denial is not good ohh


And so? In some logic formed by you that means Yoruba influenced Igbo.  WTF?   If we have to following this logic then the credit belongs to Sudano-Sahelian.
I do not need any help; you need a lot of help.  You claim everything as Yoruba without checking up on its origin.  The hat is Yoruba that is why I've agreed with you on the cap but the outfits are not.

Let's try this again. Yoruba influence Binis --> Binis Influenced Igbos. Nobody is arguing the indirect Yoruba influece that can be seen in the Igbo attires back then.
However, we're looking at the modern Yoruba influence of the Igbos, which can be seen in their recent attires, from Agbada to the other typical Yoruba attire and the typical Yoruba hat.

Go back to the Ofala cermony thread and reread Crayola’s answer.  It's not part of your heritage, IT IS A BORROWED ATTIRE, just like it is borrowed attire for many Nigerian groups. Nobody is going to deny Yoruba were the first to be copy this attire among southern Nigerian group but to claim it as you own is pathetic.

That's not what is in discussion, dear. Borrowed, acquired, potatoe potata.
Point is, Yorubas fashioned it to their taste. That Yoruba taste, not the arab wear which is different from Yorubas,  can be seen in Agbadas in the pictures I posted.

Nobody said Yorubas "invented" Agbada, even though we might as well have

The pictures provided by YOU prove otherwise.  I've done the comparison like multiple time even with pictures you provided and ones I found and anyone with an eyes can see there is no change except for the hats.   If I go seeking Sudano-Sahelian pre-colonial pictures, it will still be the same thing.  Are you trying to imply Yoruba somehow influenced Sudano-Sahelian? What?  It pains you this much to give credit to the actual creators.  It pains you this much.    

The pictures you provided were newer (in terms of age) than those of the olden pictures of Yorubas, which indicates where the infulence comes from.
And Agbada is not the only one being discussed here.
The first wedding picture I posted here was not of agbada influence, it is a modern Yoruba fashion.
Not found in Bini land, not found in Hausaland and not found in your precious Arab land

You vomit nonsense from your mouth but whatever makes you sleep at night.

Knowing I'm Yoruba and knowing our influence helps me sleep wonderfully at night. Even if it keeps you awake, I cant apoogize for that

Is this what you were saying? I thought you were saying Yoruba was the first southern group to be introduced to Islam.  That's an accurate but to say their introduction pre-dates Hausa or Fulani is lie.  

When it comes to Islam, Hausa learned it from Fulani.  I am not sure if Fulani were the first to be introduced to Islam but their introduction pre-dates Yoruba introduction.

Yoruba were not the first SOUTHERN group to be introduced to Islam. Yorubas were the FRIST NIGERIAN group to be introduced to Islam via Lagos, before Hausas.
Hausas never learned Islam from Yorubas, dont overwork that your brain.  

Makes me appreciate how we still keep unity between Christianity and Islam even up till now.