@Crayola

Why don't you go and play with your crayons and and come back when you are matured enough to know that your childish tantrums and insults will never change the fact that your poeple were the least imaginative people in the whole of Nigeria.

Why are you trying to kill yourself because Yorubas INVENTED Agbada! It's not too late little girl, you can still invent a new native attire for your people.

[QUOTE]Why did you think I never minded his pictures [/QUOTE]

lol, some, people in their desperation to prove their rubbish, just post any pictures they see on the internet , that seems to back up their opinion.

Does anyone else believe in the "multiculturalism" part of this thread

[QUOTE]http://@Crayola

Why don't you go and play with your crayons and and come back when you are matured enough to know that your childish tantrums and insults will never change the fact that your poeple were the least imaginative people in the whole of Nigeria.

Why are you trying to kill yourself because Yorubas INVENTED Agbada! It's not too late little girl, you can still invent a new native attire for your people.
[/QUOTE]

Igbo trad attires, aren't appealing to the eyes at all, I swear, they all soo damn Hurgly!!!

^^
And you are telling me this because, oh wait I said I was Igbo right Oh wait no I don't believe I did, but try again

Aigbofa:

@Crayola

Why don't you go and play with your crayons and and come back when you are matured enough to know that your childish tantrums and insults will never change the fact that your poeple were the least imaginative people in the whole of Nigeria.

Why are you trying to kill yourself because Yorubas INVENTED Agbada! It's not too late little girl, you can still invent a new native attire for your people.

Wow a crayon joke, you are an old man aren't you, because only someone over 30 would have remotely though that was a great comeback, no wait 50+
I posted links what have you posted? Your word, and honor? You've sworn on your mother's grave? The only person throwing a tantrum is you I gave you 10+ links contradictory to that fact and some how I'm killing myself because Yoruba people invented the Agbada when scholars who have actually done the research say that they adapted from the Hausa who adapted from the Fulani and etc.   Ok sweetie if it hurts you that bad to know where the Agbada really came from, I'll stop speaking the truth just for you.

scholes0:

lol, some, people in their desperation to prove their rubbish, just post any pictures they see on the internet , that seems to back up their opinion.

that's the only thing he could disprove. Still waiting for him to claim that the Ijebu cap and the sooro worn in other numerous pictures were of Spain's influence .

Give credit when it's due, I say.

Tell me how some are still finding it hard to admit their Bini influence. hmm Tribalism too much with them.

^^ Like it or not, the Agbada is 1001% Yoruba.

Why dont U take an Agbada to an Arab vicinity and ask them to wear it, if such a person won't look like the village clown.

^^
Like I said if the truth hurts, I will refrain from telling it for you guys I care that much

Anyway let me continue with my additions   I'm sure the artistic and scholarly value will be a boon to this thread
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Man I love doing charity work brings a tear to my eye man

"

I leave the thread for una now. Will be back laterz

Ileke Idi is gonna marry an Ibo guy

opribo:

Ileke Idi is gonna marry an Ibo guy

Sorry, I'm too Yoruba for that. I mean it in a good way 
PS: Married/ baby in the oven.

Crayola1:

^^
And you are telling me this because, oh wait I said I was Igbo right Oh wait no I don't believe I did, but try again


Wow a crayon joke, you are an old man aren't you, because only someone over 30 would have remotely though that was a great comeback, no wait 50+
I posted links what have you posted? Your word, and honor? You've sworn on your mother's grave? The only person throwing a tantrum is you I gave you 10+ links contradictory to that fact and some how I'm killing myself because Yoruba people invented the Agbada when scholars who have actually done the research say that they adapted from the Hausa who adapted from the Fulani and etc.   Ok sweetie if it hurts you that bad to know where the Agbada really came from, I'll stop speaking the truth just for you.

What do you know? It must hurt that while Yorubas were INVENTING Agbada, some people were roaming about Unclad in the rainforest east of river Niger.

Who made you people unimaginative and therefore incapable of coming up with an ordinary mode of dressing!
And for mentioning my mother, I hope your wretched one has stopped wearing her grass skirt.

Ileke-IdI:

"

I leave the thread for una now. Will be back laterz

Ok, getting too hot with the insults. Bye (Post above me)

After all, let us celebrate in the end. Adieu!

[QUOTE]^^
Like I said if the truth hurts, I will refrain from telling it for you guys I care that much

Anyway let me continue with my additions I'm sure the artistic and scholarly value will be a boon to this thread[/QUOTE]

Abeg, shut up.!!
do i know U from anywhere

Aigbofa:


What do you know? It must hurt that while Yorubas were INVENTING Agbada, some people were roaming about Unclad in the rainforest east of river Niger.

Lets play a little game shall we? I will post sources to back up my claims and you do the same? Sounds fun?
Though I have made no mention of my ethnicity or even the fact if I'm Nigerian  at all you find a way to play tribalism 101, classy I don't fault anyone for going unclad in Africa, place is too damn hot in some parts. In my opinion that makes more sense to me than walking in 90 degree weather with all kind of fabric on for the sake of being "civilized", which I'm sure was ultimately your point. But I digress

During the late eighteenth and the early part of the nineteenth century the existing order of power in much of what is now Nigeria was upset by the impact of an Islamic jihad inspired by the Muslim Fulani leader Uthman dan Fodio. Across the city states of the Hausa in the North, down to the Nupe people on the banks of the river Niger, [b]and as far South as the Yoruba city of Ilorin rulers were swept aside to be replaced by Muslim emirates. The main Yoruba power of Oyo was defeated and their capital city abandoned in the 1830s. The new Fulani rulers brought with them a style of male dress consisting of flowing robes and huge baggy trousers adapted for horseback riding. They also bought an Islamic tradition of "robes of honour" where embroidered gowns and the flowing turbans worn with them became badges of office for both rulers and court officials. Emirs and other rulers purchased the finest robes for themselves and distributed numerous others to their courtiers. An elaborate trade network developed, with both Nupe and Yoruba weavers and embroiderers, along with specialist tailors, cloth beaters, and dyers, serving the the main emirates. Rulers of other courts such as Yoruba kings beyond the reach of Fulani power adopted the same style of dress, and in the twentieth century the gowns became the accepted dress of important men across a large area of Nigeria and into neighbouring countries. [/b]

Le Boubou—C'est Chic: Les boubous du Mali et d'autres pays de l'Afrique de l'Ouest - Book Review

The author examines the appearance of the boubou and analyzes its provenance, making historical and contextual attributions. His premise is that manufacturing techniques are stable scientific criteria that yield cultural and historical information. He separates appearance (his central theme) from the meanings of motifs and decorations, for which he suggests there is too little evidence to draw definitive conclusions. Gardi acknowledges the rich literature on Hausa Nupe boubou forms and embroidery (Heathcote 1995; Perani & Wolff 1999) and mentions recent work on Ghana (Gott 1994). He stresses the need for a wider view of west African boubou styles and their interrelationships. This point is enhanced by a discussion of the rich terminology designating boubous (and their manufacture), and the fact that linguistic similarities from different regions may indicate interesting historical correlations (p. 17).

Gardi then formulates a typology of ten classical grand boubou styles from the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, using decoration and cut as criteria for division. These include the Malian tilbi and lomasa boubous, Liberian and Sierra Leone mandingo boubous, the Nigerian Hausa-Nupe rigas and Yoruba agbadas, boubous from Segou (about which little is known, represented by a Musee de l'Homme example), Cameroon Grasslands boubous, Cote d'Ivoire Diula and Senufo boubous, patchwork boubous from Liberia (this type is pictured in a 1907 postcard), and indigo resist-dyed boubous from Senegal, Senegambia, and Western Mali.

The agbada is
excessively wide at the shoulders, requiring the wearer to fold the fabric over, creating a
layered effect that further accentuates the shoulders. The vertical folds of fabric on
either side of the neck form two draping loops, the bottom of each loop being around
knee height. The draped effect has been likened to a bat with wings folded over its
body. Most agbadas also feature an embroidered chest pocket woven out of anaphe silk
(known as the Ajufun) with a V-neck skewed to one side and a large pocket below,
creating an angular contrast to the excessive folding elsewhere.

While the gbariye and dandogo are specifically[b] Yoruba forms of dress
worn in the South-West, the embroidery designs on the Ajufun originate from the Islamic
North, bearing parallels with designs seen throughout the Sahara region, with their roots
2
in both talismanic concepts and Islamic aesthetics. [/b]As well as providing a strong
decorative element and strengthening the pocket and neck of the gown, t[b]he Ajufun is
thought to have protective powers. Most agbada have variations on two classic designs
known as "two knives" and "eight knives" – dagger-like embroidered strips on either a
vertical or a horizontal axis. Another favoured motif is the Islamic “magic knot”. This
pattern is worn both by northerners and by Yoruba who experienced a northern
upbringing.[/b]1
At

http://books.google.com/books?id=zmKZ7-y4Q3gC&pg=PA100&dq=agbada+clothing&hl=en&ei=zAm6TpWXKMvAtgeezJWqBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CFIQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=agbada%20clothing&f=false

^^
This one even has pictures, I know you'll enjoy that

http://books.google.com/books?id=r_pUDOWOB7MC&pg=PT64&dq=agbada+clothing&hl=en&ei=zAm6TpWXKMvAtgeezJWqBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CFcQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=agbada%20clothing&f=false
^^
This one is even more explicit


http://books.google.com/books?id=Q_lCFcabj0MC&pg=PA59&dq=agbada+clothing&hl=en&ei=Qwq6Ts2nJcGTtwfi342iBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDcQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=agbada%20clothing&f=false
^^

Yoruba Mean wear Hausa style clothing,

[img]http://books.google.com/books?id=1u4EAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA6&img=1&pgis=1&dq=agbada+clothing&sig=ACfU3U12on5ysBkjg9eQXOy-auiaJSb3Lg&edge=0[/img]


Your turn my friend

Insults raining again. I need an umbrella

@ poster!!!!

This is really such a senseless post! What did the Yoruba invent? Agbada, Babban riga, boubou? Same thing, differnet languages!! You're touting "we this, we that", do you know the history of the famous "buba" of Yoruba women? Not as old as you think! Invention of the twentieth century, to hide their unclothedness,

Now if you were to talk of the aso-oke, éhen! then we can talk. That is Yoruba. We are alike yet so different. Why not celebrate US rather than try to flaunt the assumed "lordship" of one over the other! And if you must, please dust up your history books a bit and stop thinking that history begins and ends with the number of years you have lived, which gives a very narrow vision, I am afraid!!!!

scholes0:

Abeg, shut up.!!
do i know U from anywhere  

I don't know you tell me

Aigbofa:


What do you know? It must hurt that while Yorubas were INVENTING Agbada, some people were roaming about Unclad in the rainforest east of river Niger.

Who made you people unimaginative and therefore incapable of coming up with an ordinary mode of dressing!
And for mentioning my mother, I hope your wretched one has stopped wearing her grass skirt.    

Um, no I'm not hurt but I swear you sound mad hurt right now, no wonder you are foaming at the mouth
You mean modifying my friend modifying.
Like I said, I don't fault anyone for going in the nude, in Africa with 90 degree weather everyday all day, you want to look a hot sweaty mess for the sake of looking cute, be my guest. And yes other groups the Igbo for example may have not had the elaborateness of the Yoruba clothing but they did have clothing and fabric.

I wasn't talking about your mother its called sarcasm, but man I didn't think I would get such a rise out of guy old enough to be my great grandfather, my bad

Well I would think that you being a Nigeria would know most groups had some sort of fabric and did not use grass skirts, in addition to that considering that your ethnic group along with the many others in Nigeria were colonized, I would hope you wouldn't want to play the "I'm more civilized card" considering that members from your ethnic group were sold into slavery as the rest were and colonized like the rest. So the British must have not noticed your "cilivilizedness" as much as you would like

@Crayola

If gbariye and dandogo were exclusively Yourba, why is it such a stretch for you that agbada also could be exclusively Yoruba? Afterall the same people came up with Iro and Baba, which as far as we know are also exclusively Yoruba.

All you do is post random articles from the internet to back up your lame argument, without telling us the authors of these articles and their credentials.

Two pages back I gave you the links to all my sources, so you can fact check me if you like, or you can continue arguing blindly. I don't mind a good laugh Wait so you are using my source to argue my source is a lie, wow how shady is that

nadkaf:

@ poster!!!!

This is really such a senseless post! What did the Yoruba invent? Agbada, Babban riga, boubou? Same thing, differnet languages!! You're touting "we this, we that", do you know the history of the famous "buba" of Yoruba women? Not as old as you think! Invention of the twentieth century, to hide their unclothedness,

Now if you were to talk of the aso-oke, éhen! then we can talk. That is Yoruba. We are alike yet so different. Why not celebrate US rather than try to flaunt the assumed "lordship" of one over the other! And if you must, please dust up your history books a bit and stop thinking that history begins and ends with the number of years you have lived, which gives a very narrow vision, I am afraid!!!!

I agree if that was the intention of the thread, I would have just said nice pictures, but instead it became a Joystick-measuring contest. At the end of the day to the outside world its all seen as Nigerian clothes so who has ownership of what is a moot point. And like you said instead of focusing on the differences the focus should be on what is similar

Poster wasnt talking about superiority.

She only said that the fact that Most Igbos wear Abgadas and related clothing today, can be attributed mostly to modern day Yoruba contact.

And Influence does not not necessarily mean superiority, Jeez!!, so people need to deal with their complexes!!

Crayola1:

I don't know you tell me

Um, no I'm not hurt but I swear you sound mad hurt right now, no wonder you are foaming at the mouth
You mean modifying my friend modifying.
Like I said, I don't fault anyone for going in the Unclad, in Africa with 90 degree weather everyday all day, you want to look a hot sweaty mess for the sake of looking cute, be my guest. And yes other groups the Igbo for example may have not had the elaborateness of the Yoruba clothing but they did have clothing and fabric.

I wasn't talking about your mother its called sarcasm, but man I didn't think I would get such a rise out of guy old enough to be my great grandfather, my bad

Well I would think that you being a Nigeria would know most groups had some sort of fabric and did not use grass skirts, in addition to that considering that your ethnic group along with the many others in Nigeria were colonized, I would hope you wouldn't want to play the "I'm more civilized card" considering that members from your ethnic group were sold into slavery as the rest were and colonized like the rest. So the British must have not noticed your "cilivilizedness" as much as you would like

Don't make me laugh, unless your grandfather was doing your grandmother the very day he was born. That's ok though, if you think your grandpa and I are age mate. More reason you should show some respect.

^^
What that doesn't even make sense, I said the lame crayola joke you made would only be remotely funny to people several times my age because that would be their kind of humor. Jesus, it like talking to a small child in a grown a,s,z man's body
When you are worthy of my respect you will earn it, I don't believe in respecting someone because of their age and not their ideas.

scholes0:

Poster wasnt talking about superiority.

She only said that the fact that Most Igbos wear Abgadas and related clothing today, can be attributed mostly to modern day Yoruba contact.

And Influence does not not necessarily mean superiority,  Jeez!!, so people need to deal with their complexes!!

If that was the case why focus on just Yoruba and Igbo, everyone mixes and matches in Nigeria so need to single one group out. Its not a complex its called being partial and unbiased, something many of you struggle at (not necessarily you).  Why not just title the thread Multiculturalism fashion in Nigeria, or would the former not be spicy enough to attract attention because it would be neutral

The thread was purposefully made the way it was for a specific reaction, which is why the other poster brought up the "superiority" line, and others have commented. You yourself cannot say this thread was designed with neutrality in mind?

[QUOTE]If that was the case why focus in just Yoruba and Igbo, everyone mixes and matches in Nigeria so need to single one group out. Its not a complex its called being partial and unbiased, something many of you struggle at.  Why not just title the thread Multiculturalism fashion in Nigeria, or would the former not be spicy enough to attract attention because it would be neutral
[/QUOTE]

Well, at least the title was spicy  enough to attract you, wasn't it,

And when did it matter, what kind of thread someone decides to open??,  the poster wants to focus on two major Southern Ethnic groups, Yoruba and Igbo, what in the world is wrong in that, ,  shows how much of a complex you have, when  the poster talked about Yoruba influencing Igbo and indeed Nigerian fashion, and the next thing you and your cohorts do is swarm in and start blabbing about how the Agbada is not Yoruba fashion,  If it is not Yoruba fashion , then why is there a Local name for it in the first place, ??
What is the Yoruba name for a Tuxedo or a petty coat??

Please get rid of your Complex and Internal conflicts {in your minds}, and lets discuss the topic sensibly!!!

That's right, just as illogical and senselss as your rants so far on this thread.

If Im anywhere close to you grandpa's age, you better start respecting me, lest you are sent to your room to play with your crayons.  

Crayola1:

^^
What that doesn't even make sense, I said the lame crayola joke you made would only be remotely funny to people several times my age because that would be their kind of humor. Jesus, it like talking to a small child in a grown a,s,z man's body
When you are worthy of my respect you will earn it, I don't believe in respecting someone because of their age and not their ideas.


If that was the case why focus in just Yoruba and Igbo, everyone mixes and matches in Nigeria so need to single one group out. Its not a complex its called being partial and unbiased, something many of you struggle at.  Why not just title the thread Multiculturalism fashion in Nigeria, or would the former not be spicy enough to attract attention because it would be neutral

scholes0:

Well, at least the title was spicy  enough to attract you, wasn't it,

And when did it matter, what kind of thread someone decides to open??,  the poster wants to focus on two major Southern Ethnic groups, Yoruba and Igbo, what in the world is wrong in that, ,  shows how much of a complex you have, when  the poster talked about Yoruba influencing Igbo and indeed Nigerian fashion, and the next thing you and your cohorts do is swarm in and start blabbing about how the Agbada is not Yoruba fashion,  If it is not Yoruba fashion , then why is there a Local name for it in the first place, ??
What is the Yoruba name for a Tuxedo or a petty coat??

Please get rid of your Complex and Internal conflict, and lets discuss the topic sinsibly!!!

My named was mentioned several times so I wanted to post what I said earlier and clear it up what I had said and not variations others may have wanted to portray as what "I" said. Well  it matters because the same folks who swear up and down about Nairaland being too tribalistic will in the same breath partake of such acts, so it gets confusing after a while

And I like pictures oh and knowing the OPs MO, you pretty much knew where this thread was going, its a given, follows pretty much the same pattern, I can't fault consistence

My cohorts? I have no cohorts, I speak for me myself and I? I know you guys like to play Crips and Bloods on here but, me I need no team to make a point, unless "Crayola1" team is what is being discussed, then yes I am pro "Team Crayola" representing 

Once again that makes no sense the NA-PEP tricycle cars in Nigeria can be found in other countries with various names, does that mean it was invented in Nigeria

I have no complex but I'm glad others have seen this thread for what it is I could care less the Agbada is to baggy for my liking anyway, though it looks nice

Aigbofa:

That's right, just as illogical and senselss as your rants so far on this thread.

If Im anywhere close to you grandpa's age, you better start respecting me, lest you are sent to your room to play with your crayons.  

Ok lets see I said that the Agbada has its influences in Hausa/Fulani attire show proof and its a rant, you have so far chased me for three pages in this thread with not even one shread of proof contradicting what I said and you are the sensible one. Up and Down have reversed in Nigeria I guess

Like I said when you show you are worthy of respect you will get it, so far a dead rat in a gutter has more honor and dignity than you have put on display in this thread, I'll gladly go upstairs with my crayons, beats talking to a dirty old man

"Dirty old man", "getting a rise out of, "; Do I sense a sex.ual connotation to your statements towards me? As long as you are of legal age, we may get something started, but you must look really good.

Crayola1:

My named was mentioned several times so I wanted to post what I said earlier and clear it up what I had said and not variations others may have wanted to portray as what "I" said. Well  it matters because the same folks who swear up and down about Nairaland being too tribalistic will in the same breath partake of such acts, so it gets confusing after a while

And I like pictures oh and knowing the OPs MO, you pretty much knew where this thread was going, its a given, follows pretty much the same pattern, I can't fault consistence

My cohorts? I have no cohorts, I speak for me myself and I? I know you guys like to play Crips and Bloods on here but, me I need no team to make a point, unless "Crayola1" team is what is being discussed, then yes I am pro "Team Crayola" representing 

Once again that makes no sense the NA-PEP tricycle cars in Nigeria can be found in other countries with various names, does that mean it was invented in Nigeria

I have no complex but I'm glad others have seen this thread for what it is I could care less the Agbada is to baggy for my liking anyway, though it looks nice

Ok lets see I said that the Agbada has its influences in Hausa/Fulani attire show proof and its a rant, you have so far chased me for three pages in this thread with not even one shread of proof contradicting what I said and you are the sensible one. Up and Down have reversed in Nigeria I guess

Like I said when you show you are worthy of respect you will get it, so far a dead rat in a gutter has more honor and dignity than you have put on display in this thread, I'll gladly go upstairs with my crayons, beats talking to a dirty old man

Lace is a typical Yoruba textile.
Pioneers of lace material, I should not think so. But that's the way it seems.

Not true. The lace in Nigeria is from Europe, especially Austria. What Yorubas can claim is Aso-Oke, adire. Those are the two I know of. It's just like Nigerians claiming ankara.

Only the Igbos/South -south used to wear George in the past. For women, they tie the george as a wrapper and use lace as a top. Today, any female can use george and sew it to any style they want.

In the past also, Yorubas stuck to Aso-oke gele, Igbo people stuck to this paper-textured head-tie (don't know the name). Today everyone uses that paper-textured head-tie.

Aigbofa:

"Dirty old man", "getting a rise out of, "; Do I sense a sex.ual connotation to your statements towards me? As long as you are of legal age, we may get something started, but you must look really good.

Well I did say you were a dirty old man, the more you post the more you prove me right in my assumption If it keeps you away than yes I am way below the legal age, embryonic in fact

@ileke - idi
Don't start which Yoruba girl fine like that

@still water
Well done your analysis

expert555:

@still water
Well done your analysis

Actually she is wrong,