Pope Francis claims angels greeting to Mary as being 'full of grace' meant she was without sin

'Pope Francis' Claims Angel's Greeting to Mary as Being 'Full of Grace' Meant She Was Without Sin
By Heather Clark on December 9, 2017

ROME — In one of the feasts and celebrations marked on the Roman Catholic liturgical calendar leading up to Christmas, Catholics around the world observed the Feast of Immaculate Conception on Friday, a day in which those who follow the religion commemorate their belief that Mary was conceived in her mother Anne's womb without original sin.

Jorge Bergoglio, also known as Pope Francis, delivered an Angelus address, during which he claimed that the angel Gabriel's reference to Mary as being "full of grace" meant that there was no sin in her. Most Bible translations use the phrase "highly favoured," while a few use "full of grace."

Through this wording, Gabriel "reveals the new name which God has given her and which befits her more than the one given by her parents," Bergoglio asserted, according to a report by Vatican Radio.

He said that being "full of grace" meant that "Mary [was] full of the presence of God."

"And if she is entirely pervaded by God, there is no place in her for sin," Bergoglio claimed. "This is extraordinary, because unfortunately the whole world is contaminated by evil."

"She is the only 'always green oasis' of humanity, the only uncontaminated one, created immaculate so that she could welcome fully, with her 'yes,' God who was coming into the world," he continued, echoing the 163-year-old doctrine.

An article penned by Dave Armstrong in April for the National Catholic Register entitled "Scripture, Through an Angel, Reveals That Mary Was Sinless" outlines that "Catholics believe that God gave [Mary] the grace at her conception so as to avoid the original sin which she inevitably would have inherited, being human, but for God’s preventive grace, which saved her from falling into the pit of sin by avoidance rather than rescue after she had fallen in."

And because Mary had no sin, she did not age by it, Bergoglio claimed. As previously reported, Roman Catholics also believe that Mary did not die, but was assumed into Heaven, both body and soul. The "Feast of Assumption" is observed every August by adherents to the religion.

Bergoglio later visited Rome's Piazza de Spagna, where he presented a prayer to Mary before a sculpture that was commissioned in 1857 by Pius IX. The figure, which rests atop the lofty Column of Immaculate Conception, was created by Giuseppe Obici, and shows Mary stomping the head of a serpent.

"Immaculate Mother, for the fifth time I come to your feet as bishop of Rome to pay you homage on behalf of all the inhabitants of this city," Bergoglio prayed. "We want to thank you for the constant care with which you accompany us on our journey. … Thank you, because as soon as we turn our thoughts or a fleeting glance towards you, or recite a quick Hail Mary, we feel your maternal presence, tender and strong."

He referenced Alphonse Ratisbonne, who, according to Catholic legend, saw a vision of Mary in 1842 and converted from atheism. Bergoglio visited the Church of St. Andrew on Friday, where Mary is stated to have appeared to Ratisbonne.

"You revealed yourself to him as a mother of grace and mercy. Grant that we too, especially in times of trial and temptation, may fix our gaze on your open hands, hands that allow the Lord’s graces to fall upon the earth," Bergoglio stated.

"[L]et us place our hand in yours and allow ourselves to be led back to Jesus, our Brother and Saviour, and to our Heavenly Father, who never tires of waiting for us and forgiving us when we return to Him," he concluded. "Thank you, mother, for always listening to us! Bless the Church that is in Rome. Bless this city and the whole world. Amen."

As previously reported, the concept of the immaculate conception was declared by Pope Pius IX on December 8, 1854, who issued a proclamation ex cathedra claiming that it had been revealed to him by God that Mary was conceived without sin.

"We declare, pronounce and define that the doctrine which holds that the blessed virgin Mary, at the first instant of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace of the Omnipotent God, in virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of mankind, was preserved immaculate from all stain of original sin, has been revealed by God, and therefore should firmly and constantly be believed by all the faithful," he said.
While many Catholics observe the feast day by attending mass, evangelicals believe that the doctrine is unbiblical and takes the focus off Christ.

"To suggest that Mary was conceived without sin because she was greeted as a 'favoured one' is absurd and nonsensical," Mike Gendron of
Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries told Christian News Network.

"As in many religious traditions that deny or oppose God's word, the immaculate conception of Mary denies the sinfulness of all humanity," he stated. "It all begins with Adam who was our federal head and represented all of humanity. When he sinned, 'sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned' (Rom. 5:12). His one sin resulted in condemnation to all men, including Mary (Rom. 5:18). Through his one act of disobedience, his descendants, including Mary, were made sinners (Rom. 5:19)."

Gendron noted that the doctrine of "immaculate conception" has "spawned other heresies about Mary" as well, and has distorted the true Mary of the Scriptures.

"In 1950, the pope declared Mary's body was assumed into Heaven because she lived a sinless life," he outlined. "The Catechism teaches that Mary was sinless and continues to bring us the gifts of salvation. It teaches that she was the cause of salvation for herself and the whole human race and she will deliver souls from death. She is said to be co-mediator with Jesus in Heaven, which makes her an another way to approach God. Catholics refer to her as the Mother of God and she bestows aid and comfort to the people of the world."

But "Mary is no more the mother of God than Joseph is the father of Jesus," Gendron said.

He contrasted the Mary of the Roman Catholic religion with the one mentioned at times in the New Testament.

"Scripture has very little to say about Mary. When she appears with the other believers on the day of Pentecost, she's not an object of worship or even a leader in the early Church," Gendron noted. "There are no occasions of anyone ever praying to her, honouring her or venerating her. She is never mentioned in any presentation of the gospel."

"Jesus Christ alone is our Redeemer, Deliverer, Mediator and Advocate. He alone is to be worshipped, adored, honoured and praised now and throughout all eternity!" he declared.

Being a former Roman Catholic of 30 years, Gendron expressed his desire that Catholics would examine every papal doctrine in light of Scripture and repent of what he called Mariolatry, or placing Mary on too high a pedestal, making an idol of her.

"God's word exposes the many errors of the Catholic religion," he said. "As the federal head and representative of all humans, Adam's act of sin was considered by God to be the act of all people and his penalty of his sin was judicially made the penalty for all. Paul explains it this way: When Adam sinned, 'sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned' (Rom. 5:12). His one sin resulted in condemnation to all men, including Mary (Rom. 5:18). Through his one act of disobedience, his descendants, including Mary, were made sinners (Rom. 5:19)."

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Wished he knew what he was talking about. Romans 3:23 is clear

What of d sin she and everyone inherited from Adam our first parent? Mary was priveleged to give birth to Jesus.

Wrong!!! I'm out

wrong wrong wrong! for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 so dat means Mary was also a sinner, God favour falls upon her just like, it did to Jacob, Joseph, David and co,not dat Mary was sinless, sometimes I Wonder if dis so call Men of God, read,d bible self.

Jesse01:
wrong wrong wrong! for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 so dat means Mary was also a sinner, God favour falls upon her just like, it did to Jacob, Joseph, David and co,not dat Mary was sinless, sometimes I Wonder if dis so call Men of God, read,d bible self.

So Jesus too sinned

Jesse01:
wrong wrong wrong! for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 so dat means Mary was also a sinner, God favour falls upon her just like, it did to Jacob, Joseph, David and co,not dat Mary was sinless, sometimes I Wonder if dis so call Men of God, read,d bible self.

You are asking whether the people who gave you the bible do read the bible. You better get real.Throwing around bible verses does not mean good understanding of the bible.

Yes Mary was without sin. She was a master piece of God, prepared specially to conceive her son. If Mary was stained with original sin, then Jesus who is God himself will dwell in a sinful body . if she wasn't saved beforehand by God from sin then Jesus will be conceived in sin. Jesus got all his Human DNA from Mary. She was saved by the merits of her son Because she is Theotokos. God bearer
Pray to the holy spirit for understanding
Chaire kecharitomene

Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, had inherited the fallen flesh from our first parents Adam and Eve, just like every other human being alive today.

Dnaz:

So Jesus too sinned

did Jesus have human Father?

9inches:


You are asking whether the people who gave you the bible do read the bible. You better get real.Throwing around bible verses does not mean good understanding of the bible.

not a Christian only said wat Christian always said to me all d times

Jesse01:
did Jesus have human Father?

No
But he had a human mother

uboma:
Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, had inherited the fallen flesh from our first parents Adam and Eve, just like every other human being alive today.

No she was saved from contracting original sin by the special grace of God.

If Mary wasn't kept untainted by God, Christ will have been conceived in sin like all men.
Mary was specially prepared for her role in Salvation

5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, He said, "Sacrifices and offerings thou hast not desired, but a body hast thou prepared for me;
Hebrews 10:5

Here it says God prepared a body for Jesus
Mary was part of that preparation.
For God cannot dwell nor inherit a sinful body

why did she need to offer an atonement according to Old Testament Law (Lev. 12:1-8 ) after giving birth to Jesus ? According to the Old Testament, it was only the mother who needed purifying after a birth because of the issue of blood. She was ritually unclean. If she had a male child, the days of her period of uncleanness was seven days, then the child was circumcised, then she remained unclean for 33 days (v. 4)--for a total of 40 days. If she bore a female child, her period of uncleanness would be 14 days plus 66 days for a total of 80 days. Notice in Leviticus 12:2 it says if she bears a male child, she shall be unclean for seven days. If Mary was sinless, how could she also be unclean?

Luke 2 vs 21-24 says


a And when the days for their purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him up to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord

23 (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “ a EVERY firstborn MALE THAT OPENS THE WOMB SHALL BE CALLED HOLY TO THE LORD”),

24 and to offer a sacrifice according to what was said in the Law of the Lord, “ a A PAIR OF TURTLEDOVES OR TWO YOUNG PIGEONS.”
this pair of turtle doves was called Sin offering

MARY WAS A SINNER

Dnaz:

No
But he had a human mother

but d only spirit descend up Jesus human mother lol, so Jesus birth was different frm normal humans, no sex was involved. according to Christians,u get d drill?

Jesse01:
but d only spirit descend up Jesus human mother lol, so Jesus birth was different frm normal humans, no sex was involved. according to Christians,u get d drill?

even the Muslim believe no sex was involved. so you have no backup here.

fellowman:


even the Muslim believe no sex was involved. so you have no backup here.

I have so many points, Mary is a sinner just like every other human dat walk d earth, jesus was perfect not dat Mary was sinless, but he(Jesus) came in to dis World without d Normal procedure, dat is sex which involved a man and a woman according to Ancient times, u can take dat to d bank.

Jesse01:
I have so many points, Mary is a sinner just like every other human dat walk d earth, jesus was perfect not dat Mary was sinless, but he(Jesus) came in to dis World without d Normal procedure, dat is sex which involved a man and a woman according to Ancient times, u can take dat to d bank.

guy then we are saying the same thing.

I even quoted the Bible to support it.
it's above before your post.

fellowman:

guy then we are saying the same thing.
I even quoted the Bible to support it. it's above before your post.

ok den it cool

Dnaz:
5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, He said, "Sacrifices and offerings thou hast not desired, but a body hast thou prepared for me;
Hebrews 10:5

Here it says God prepared a body for Jesus
Mary was part of that preparation.
For God cannot dwell nor inherit a sinful body

Luke1:46-47_ And Mary said, "My soul doth magnify the LORD. 47- And my spirit hath rejoiced in GOD my saviour.

Why do Mary need a saviour if she was without sin? Only sick people need a doctor.

bloodofthelamb:


Luke1:46-47_ And Mary said, "My soul doth magnify the LORD. 47- And my spirit hath rejoiced in GOD my saviour.

Why do Mary need a saviour if she was without sin? Only sick people need a doctor.

Wrong analogy.. It was God who saved her yes.. A person can be saved before they fall into a ditch.. just like they can also be saved after they fall into a ditch..
the Bible itself says God can prevent us from falling
jude 1: 24 Now to him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you without blemish before the presence of his glory with rejoicing, 25 to the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and for ever. Amen..

So you can be saved not only when you are brought out of a hole you fell into.. you can also be saved from falling into that same hole.. and that is exactly what God did for Mary

fellowman:
why did she need to offer an atonement according to Old Testament Law (Lev. 12:1-8 ) after giving birth to Jesus ? According to the Old Testament, it was only the mother who needed purifying after a birth because of the issue of blood. She was ritually unclean. If she had a male child, the days of her period of uncleanness was seven days, then the child was circumcised, then she remained unclean for 33 days (v. 4)--for a total of 40 days. If she bore a female child, her period of uncleanness would be 14 days plus 66 days for a total of 80 days. Notice in Leviticus 12:2 it says if she bears a male child, she shall be unclean for seven days. If Mary was sinless, how could she also be unclean?

Luke 2 vs 21-24 says


a And when the days for their purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him up to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord

23 (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “ a EVERY firstborn MALE THAT OPENS THE WOMB SHALL BE CALLED HOLY TO THE LORD”),

24 and to offer a sacrifice according to what was said in the Law of the Lord, “ a A PAIR OF TURTLEDOVES OR TWO YOUNG PIGEONS.”

MARY WAS A SINNER

Mary was sinless u are yarning opata
Was Jesus not purified too?
Does it mean he was a sinner?

Jesse01:
I have so many points, Mary is a sinner just like every other human dat walk d earth, jesus was perfect not dat Mary was sinless, but he(Jesus) came in to dis World without d Normal procedure, dat is sex which involved a man and a woman according to Ancient times, u can take dat to d bank.

So Jesus got his human nature from sinful Mary?
Jesus was conceived in a sinful body?

Dnaz:
Yes Mary was without sin. She was a master piece of God, prepared specially to conceive her son. If Mary was stained with original sin, then Jesus who is God himself will dwell in a sinful body . if she wasn't saved beforehand by God from sin then Jesus will be conceived in sin. Jesus got all his Human DNA from Mary. She was saved by the merits of her son Because she is Theotokos. God bearer
Pray to the holy spirit for understanding
Chaire kecharitomene

why do u think Jesus chose to be baptised he was born of a woman and that alone has tainted him.

Jesse01:
not a Christian only said wat Christian always said to me all d times

Not all Christians understand the bible. Only in the Catholic church can one get a complete teaching and understanding of the Christian faith.

Dnaz:

So Jesus got his human nature from sinful Mary?
Jesus was conceived in a sinful body?

Jesus was not convince thorough sex so dat makes him perfect.

fellowman:
why did she need to offer an atonement according to Old Testament Law (Lev. 12:1-8 ) after giving birth to Jesus ? According to the Old Testament, it was only the mother who needed purifying after a birth because of the issue of blood. She was ritually unclean. If she had a male child, the days of her period of uncleanness was seven days, then the child was circumcised, then she remained unclean for 33 days (v. 4)--for a total of 40 days. If she bore a female child, her period of uncleanness would be 14 days plus 66 days for a total of 80 days. Notice in Leviticus 12:2 it says if she bears a male child, she shall be unclean for seven days. If Mary was sinless, how could she also be unclean?

Luke 2 vs 21-24 says


a And when the days for their purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him up to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord

23 (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “ a EVERY firstborn MALE THAT OPENS THE WOMB SHALL BE CALLED HOLY TO THE LORD”),

24 and to offer a sacrifice according to what was said in the Law of the Lord, “ a A PAIR OF TURTLEDOVES OR TWO YOUNG PIGEONS.”

MARY WAS A SINNER

There's a fundamental flaw with this argument..
1. You equate being ritually unclean with sin.. being ritually unclean is not sin..
What is Sin, It is breaking God's law, the ten commandments, Evil against God and or neighbour..
Needing to be "purified" after giving birth is not sin..
that is ritual purification.. am sure you won't say that a woman who gave birth is guilty of sin..

according to Jewish custom bearing a children not only a male child makes s woman ritually unclean because of the blood just like menstruation but am sure you won't also say menstruation or giving birth is a sin..
Everything from touching a dead body to menstruating led to ritual impurity, but those things aren’t sins. Christ Himself sat to eat without ritually washing (Luke 11:37-38), and He was pretty explicit in denouncing obsessing over ritual impurity, and conflating it with sin (see, e.g.,
Matthew 15:1-3, 10-20; Luke 11:37-41).

2. The fact that someone obeys a law doesn't make them guilty.. Jesus obeyed many Jewish laws.. he got baptized, he was circumcised to make him part of the covenant God made with Abraham (gen 17:10) that doesn't mean He is not the son of God or that he needed it.. it was just to obey the law..

3. Lastly Leviticus 12 doesn't apply to Mary because Jesus birth was not natural... She just obeyed the law and accepted it . if she did not.. she might be stoned for having a child outside of her husband ..
here's why
Leviticus 12:2 is being translated very loosely here, as it is in many other l English-language Bibles, in saying that the sin offering applies whenever “ a woman conceives , and bears a male child. ” It doesn’t say that. The Hebrew literally says that it applies if “ a woman receives seed, and bears a male child. ”
The Hebrew is clear here:
1. In prophesies about the Virgin Birth, like
Isaiah 7:14, the word used is hareh,
which means “pregnant.”
2. In Leviticus 12:2, that’s not the verb
used. Rather, it’s zara’ , which means “to
sow,” or “to receive seed.” For example,
this is the verb used for sowing
in Genesis 47:23 and Exodus 23:10. In
both Hebrew and English,
In other words, Leviticus 12 only applies to a woman if she’s inseminated. The KJV gets this right, but most translations use the more polite “ conceives. ” Normally, that’s no big deal.
Here, it’s huge, because Mary conceives Jesus, but she was never inseminated .

9inches:


Not all Christians understand the bible. Only in the Catholic church can one get a complete teaching and understanding of the Christian faith.

u sure?

hadow:

why do u think Jesus chose to be baptised he was born of a woman and that alone has tainted him.

Are you saying Jesus was stained all from his birth till he was baptized?? where does the Bible say that??

You people are funny oh.. God specially prepares places where he would descend or communicate with his people..

He gave special instructions in building the ark.. He said use acacia wood, use PURE GOLD, make a mercy seat of PURE GOLD, Make Cherubims of PURE GOLD arranged in a particular way.. and God said, there I will meet you in verse 22.. (cf exodus 25:10-23)

God told Moses to use the best wood, the most expensive material (gold) and not just gold, but PURE GOLD....
If God would direct the ark to be made so specially for his people to encounter him in the old testament.. how much more will he specially make the vessel with which he came down in the new testament.. IF HE MADE THE ARK WITH GOOD STRONG PURE MATERIALS HOW MUCH MORE WILL HE MAKE THE VESSEL THAT HE DWELLED IN FOR NINE MONTHS PURE....