bencr7:
play which role! be like say u dey read back of bible or empty blble

Talk sensibly if u want my attention

[quote author=easymancfc post=63221467][/quote]

Am so sorry for you people. Solomon included an image of a cherubim in the temple according to the pattern for the sanctuary as shown to Moses by God on the mountain
Acts 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of the testimony with them in the wilderness. It was constructed exactly as God had directed Moses, according to the pattern he had seen.
Exodus 37:6-8"He made the atonement cover of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 7 Then he made two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 8 He made one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; at the two ends he made them of one piece with the cover'.
God gave the above specification for building His Sanctuary, Moses and Solomon followed this specific instruction to include the image of the Cherubim above the Mercy Seat. Apart from that of the Cherubim, which other Image did Solomon included in the Temple? Can you also show me where the children of Israel where seen 'honouring' the Image of the Cherubim included in the Temple.
Is it that you people lack basic understanding or the church only look out for what to hold unto to commit this terrible Idolatry sin before God?

You that is reading this, there is still opportunity for you to repent. Please think about this with an open mind, come out of Catholic before its too late for you. Dont said its my church, all church belong to Jesus but Catholic belongs to the Devil.

saintmark88:


Ur understanding of scripture is low....u mentioned images and I said Solomon made images. U went on to talk bout Solomon going after Asthoreth, using that as a yardstick to attack the Catholic church. Now lemme shame u.

1st kings 6:23

Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
For the inner sanctuary he made a pair of cherubim out of olive wood, each ten cubits high.

New Living Translation
He made two cherubim of wild olive wood, each 15 feet tall, and placed them in the inner sanctuary.

English Standard Version
In the inner sanctuary he made two cherubim of olivewood, each ten cubits high.

New American Standard Bible
Also in the inner sanctuary he made two cherubim of olive wood, each ten cubits high.

King James Bible
And within the oracle he made two cherubims of olive tree, each ten cubits high.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
In the inner sanctuary he made two cherubim 15 feet high out of olive wood.

What's a cherubim, a winged angel...is this an image or not. He made an image in the sanctuary, d holiest place in the temple.


2 Chronicles 3:10
Then he made two sculptured cherubim in the room of the holy of holies and overlaid them with gold..

Also the doors of the temple had images

1kings 6:32


New Living Translation
These double doors were decorated with carvings of cherubim, palm trees, and open flowers. The doors, including the decorations of cherubim and palm trees, were overlaid with gold.

Now c what God said after he finished the temple with these images that this man says images are idolatry

1kings 9 1-3
When Solomon had finished building the temple of the LORD and the royal palace, and had achieved all he had desired to do,
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
the LORD appeared to him a second time, as he had appeared to him at Gibeon
New International Version
The LORD said to him: "I have heard the prayer and plea you have made before me; I have consecrated this temple, which you have built, by putting my Name there forever. My eyes and my heart will always be there.

We see here God approves of the temple with the images. Now tell me how does making images in Gods temple as Solomon did and going after another god relate??.....hope u can see ur ignorance

Eya a a, so this is your sound understanding of the scripture. I;ll take time to explain to you not to 'shame' you but believing that God will give you understanding so you can come out of this cult call Catholic. Time is running out.

The only image included in the Temple that Solomon built was that of the Cherubim. That is the parttern for building the temple as was shown to Moses on the mountain.
Acts 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of the testimony with them in the wilderness. It was constructed exactly as God had directed Moses, according to the pattern he had seen
See the Tabernacle as was built by Moses, Solomon only followed the parttern, anything short of that is not acceptable.
Exodus 37:6-8"He made the atonement cover of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 7 Then he made two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 8 He made one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; at the two ends he made them of one piece with the cover'.
Apart from that of the Cherubim, which other Image did Solomon included in the Temple? Can you also show me where the children of Israel where seen 'honouring' the Image of the Cherubim included in the Temple.
Is it that you people lack basic understanding or the church only look out for what to hold unto to commit this terrible Idolatry sin before God?

Please repent while you still have the opportunity

Ochoiho:


Am so sorry for you people. Solomon included an image of a cherubim in the temple according to the pattern for the sanctuary as shown to Moses by God on the mountain
Acts 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of the testimony with them in the wilderness. It was constructed exactly as God had directed Moses, according to the pattern he had seen.
Exodus 37:6-8"He made the atonement cover of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 7 Then he made two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 8 He made one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; at the two ends he made them of one piece with the cover'.
God gave the above specification for building His Sanctuary, Moses and Solomon followed this specific instruction to include the image of the Cherubim above the Mercy Seat. Apart from that of the Cherubim, which other Image did Solomon included in the Temple? Can you also show me where the children of Israel where seen 'honouring' the Image of the Cherubim included in the Temple.
Is it that you people lack basic understanding or the church only look out for what to hold unto to commit this terrible Idolatry sin before God?

You that is reading this, there is still opportunity for you to repent. Please think about this with an open mind, come out of Catholic before its too late for you. Dont said its my church, all church belong to Jesus but Catholic belongs to the Devil.

Satan is playing ping pong with ur brain

Catholic church is the mother church
The one true church of Christ
Proof is its 2000yr history
She birthed the Canon of the Christian Bible
U r a Christian because of her
She is the true bride if Christ
The gates of hell ll never prevail over her

Dnaz:
Catholic church is the mother church
The one true church of Christ
Proof is its 2000yr history
She birthed the Canon of the Christian Bible
U r a Christian because of her
She is the true bride if Christ
The gates of hell ll never prevail over her

This your bogus claim wouldn't take you anywhere. Please think about eternity and give your life to christ

Dnaz:

Satan is playing ping pong with ur brain

One day you'll know what Satan has done to you and the entire Catholic Church. I hope that time come before it is too late

Ochoiho:



Eya a a, so this is your sound understanding of the scripture. I;ll take time to explain to you not to 'shame' you but believing that God will give you understanding so you can come out of this cult call Catholic. Time is running out.

The only image included in the Temple that Solomon built was that of the Cherubim. That is the parttern for building the temple as was shown to Moses on the mountain.
Acts 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of the testimony with them in the wilderness. It was constructed exactly as God had directed Moses, according to the pattern he had seen
See the Tabernacle as was built by Moses, Solomon only followed the parttern, anything short of that is not acceptable.
Exodus 37:6-8"He made the atonement cover of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 7 Then he made two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 8 He made one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; at the two ends he made them of one piece with the cover'.
Apart from that of the Cherubim, which other Image did Solomon included in the Temple? Can you also show me where the children of Israel where seen 'honouring' the Image of the Cherubim included in the Temple.
Is it that you people lack basic understanding or the church only look out for what to hold unto to commit this terrible Idolatry sin before God?

Please repent while you still have the opportunity

To point put ur contradiction and lies in order to continue in bashing want u clearly lack understanding on
Y r u contradicting urself.... U said images in church is idolatry, I said no its not...Solomon built images in the temple he built for God and God accepted it.......

After defeating that earlier false statement, u r now saying there was only one image...the number of images does that matter

Secondly u said God gave Solomon the instruction to make an image of a winged cherubim. Hmm!!!!!!....but I tot making image is idolatry.....so r u saying God is asking pple to be idolaters

Ochoiho:


This your bogus claim wouldn't take you anywhere. Please think about eternity and give your life to christ

My life belongs to Christ. Stop being an agent of the devil, swallow your pride and return to the mother Church

Ochoiho:


One day you'll know what Satan has done to you and the entire Catholic Church. I hope that time come before it is too late

Satan and his Cohorts like u have always tried to trample the Catholic church. But the gates of hell will never prevail
Repent and Reject Satan and all his evil antics or u ll burn in hell

[quote author=Dnaz post=63225660]
She co operated with God by accepting to bear Jesus despite the troubles the pregnancy will bring her.

Mary considered being the mother of the mesiah as a favour done to her done to her despite she not meriting it.
Mary could not have rejected such favour if she does the favour could have gone to another. My question is, why do you praise Mary for receiving a favour.

She also suffered with Jesus as The Prophet Simeon prophesied

34 and Simeon blessed them and said to Mary his mother, "Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign that is spoken against
Luke 2:34

35 (and a sword will pierce through your own soul also), that thoughts out of many hearts may be revealed."
Luke 2:35

A sword will Pierce through your own soul ALSO. Meaning she ll suffer with her son even though its his death that will save the world.

that verse referred to what Mary will feel as a result of what happen to Christ It is normal, no mother will feel great seeing what their child go through what Mary went through many women go through it, hers is not special.

Nobody has claimed Mary is divine . its only ur wrong judgement

ask your pope and your Satan's church?

And Yes God saved Mary from sinning. She was Sinless

God saved Mary from sinning? Which sin please? If Mary had no sin, she would not need God to save her. Was Mary not a child of Adam?

reason why she sayed my soul rejoice in God my Saviour( past tense)

you are not making sense, where is the past tense there? D fact that Mary died is a fact that Mary was a sinner just like you.

saintmark88:

To point put ur contradiction and lies in order to continue in bashing want u clearly lack understanding on
Y r u contradicting urself.... U said images in church is idolatry, I said no its not...Solomon built images in the temple he built for God and God accepted it.......

After defeating that earlier false statement, u r now saying there was only one image...the number of images does that matter

Secondly u said God gave Solomon the instruction to make an image of a winged cherubim. Hmm!!!!!!....but I tot making image is idolatry.....so r u saying God is asking pple to be idolaters

Its contradictory to you because your mind is made up to be deceived. I wish you good luck. I wish you understand the statement of Jesus that those that now worship God must do so 'in spirit and in truth'
I wonder why you are not slaughtering lamb, Goat and other animals as obtained in the Old Testament but bent on making and 'honouring' images of dead saint because that of Cherubim was included by God as pattern for the Sanctuary. Sorry, am out

[quote author=solite3 post=63251315][/quote]
U ll try to teach someone but they prefer ignorance.
Oya perish in ur ignorance

[quote author=solite3 post=63251315][/quote]
Jesus died... Is Jesus a sinner too

Ochoiho:


Am so sorry for you people. Solomon included an image of a cherubim in the temple according to the pattern for the sanctuary as shown to Moses by God on the mountain
Acts 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of the testimony with them in the wilderness. It was constructed exactly as God had directed Moses, according to the pattern he had seen.
Exodus 37:6-8"He made the atonement cover of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 7 Then he made two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 8 He made one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; at the two ends he made them of one piece with the cover'.
God gave the above specification for building His Sanctuary, Moses and Solomon followed this specific instruction to include the image of the Cherubim above the Mercy Seat. Apart from that of the Cherubim, which other Image did Solomon included in the Temple? Can you also show me where the children of Israel where seen 'honouring' the Image of the Cherubim included in the Temple.
Is it that you people lack basic understanding or the church only look out for what to hold unto to commit this terrible Idolatry sin before God?

You that is reading this, there is still opportunity for you to repent. Please think about this with an open mind, come out of Catholic before its too late for you. Dont said its my church, all church belong to Jesus but Catholic belongs to the Devil.

No disrespect to you.. but you show ignorance even though you claim you want to teach..
YOU SAY DONT MAKE STATUES, WE SHOWED YOU THAT GOD COMMANDED STATUES TO BE MADE... SOLOMON MADE STATUES IN THE TEMPLE

YOU SAID SOLOMON BROUGHT IDOLATRY.. WE SHOWED YOU THAT HIS IDOLATRY IS NOT IN MAKING IMAGES IN THE TEMPLE WHICH GOD ACCEPTED AND CONSECRATED BUT IN SERVING PAGAN GODS..

NOW YOU SAY ONLY ONE IMAGE OF CHERUBIM WAS COMMANDED BY GOD..

for your information.. Not only the image of the cherubim was made, images of PALM TREES, GOURDS, FLOWERS were also made in the temple.. (cf 1 kings 6).. And the cherubim was not only made in the sanctuary, it was also carved on the walls and doors along with the images of flowers and palm trees(v 29 and v 32, 35)... Not to mention the image of a bronze serpent (numbers 21: which was a prefigurement of Jesus Christ (john 3:14)..

AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION, WE DONT HONOUR IMAGES, WE HONOUR THE PEOPLE THEY REPRESENT, and there's nothing wrong with that..
the bible instructs us to give honour to whom it is due (rom 13:7)..

To give respect to a symbol because of what it represents is not idolatry..
Nigerians salute the flag..

the Parliamentarians respect the Mace..

Nigerian Army soldiers salute memorials and statues of national heroes..
ITS COMMON SENSE

WORSHIP IS IN THE HEART.. IT IS MANIFESTED IN OUTWARD SIGNS BUT IT COMES FROM THE HEART..
HONOURING SOMEONE IS DIFFERENT FROM WORSHIPPING THEM..

AND HONOURING SOMEONE DOES NOT EQUATE TO IDOLATRY IF THAT S THE CASE THEN WE WOULD ALL BE GUILTY..

Ochoiho:



Eya a a, so this is your sound understanding of the scripture. I;ll take time to explain to you not to 'shame' you but believing that God will give you understanding so you can come out of this cult call Catholic. Time is running out.

The only image included in the Temple that Solomon built was that of the Cherubim. That is the parttern for building the temple as was shown to Moses on the mountain.
Acts 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of the testimony with them in the wilderness. It was constructed exactly as God had directed Moses, according to the pattern he had seen
See the Tabernacle as was built by Moses, Solomon only followed the parttern, anything short of that is not acceptable.
Exodus 37:6-8"He made the atonement cover of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 7 Then he made two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 8 He made one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; at the two ends he made them of one piece with the cover'.
Apart from that of the Cherubim, which other Image did Solomon included in the Temple? Can you also show me where the children of Israel where seen 'honouring' the Image of the Cherubim included in the Temple.
Is it that you people lack basic understanding or the church only look out for what to hold unto to commit this terrible Idolatry sin before God?

Please repent while you still have the opportunity

AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES NOT BELONG TO THE DEVIL, IT IS THE CHURCH CHRIST FOUNDED ON THE APOSTLES THAT HAD BEEN DOING THE WORK OF. GOD THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE. YOUR MUSHROOM DENOMINATION WAS FOUNDED BY A MAN..

This can be verified by history and the testimony of the early Christians and some disciplines of the apostles..

Go and read Church history, The Church was one before 1054, then two but still united in doctrine and practice it was in 1517 that the chain reaction of division in Christianity started and division continued until your mushroom denomination was found.. SO YOU ARE IGNORANT OF 1800 years of Church history..

THE CHURCH DIDNT END IN ACTS 28 AND RESUMED WITH YOUR DENOMINATION IT CONTINUED THROUGHOUT TIME AND JESUS HAS BEEN PROTECTING IT.. AS HE PROMISED IN Mathew 28:20 b and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.. and PRESERVING IT AS HE PROMISED IN Mathew 16: 18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

easymancfc:

Jesus died... Is Jesus a sinner too

Jesus died because of our sin. Why did Mary die?

Jesse01:
wrong wrong wrong! for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 so dat means Mary was also a sinner, God favour falls upon her just like, it did to Jacob, Joseph, David and co,not dat Mary was sinless, sometimes I Wonder if dis so call Men of God, read,d bible self.

It wasn't only Mary that is w/o sin in that Generation, see comentary of Jesus below

(Joh 1:47) Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

Ochoiho:


This your bogus claim wouldn't take you anywhere. Please think about eternity and give your life to christ

That's a truth claim that is based on facts, not a bogus one. Only the Catholic church can interpret and teach the bible fully and can answer ALL questions bordering the Christian faith.

solite3:
Jesus died because of our sin. Why did Mary die?

The point is he died, He was nailed, flogged and pierced and his body died because of the wounds and pain,
Mary died because she wanted to follow her son's footsteps...

Dnaz:
Catholic church is the mother church
The one true church of Christ
Proof is its 2000yr history
She birthed the Canon of the Christian Bible
U r a Christian because of her
She is the true bride if Christ
The gates of hell ll never prevail over her

Lol at mother church... I will keep praying for the liberation of souls held captive in catholic cult.

easymancfc:


The point is he died, He was nailed, flogged and pierced and his body died because of the wounds and pain,
Mary died because she wanted to follow her son's footsteps...

You mean Mary killed herself? Or was She killed for her faith in Christ? In any case it tells you everybody pertook of the sinful nature of Adam.
Without sin there is no death.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Jesus died because he was carrying the sin of others not his own but even if the apostles where killed for their faith it shows that they have this sinful human nature.
The flesh can not enter heaven do you know why?
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

easymancfc:

Jesus died... Is Jesus a sinner too

CHRIST was made a sinner for me and you. My sins was transferred to Christ that is why he died.

Christ died a sinner. But not of his own sins, but of the sins of the world.

Note: The church of Christ is not a denomination like Catholic, Jehovah witness, Winners, Redeem, Mountain of Fire and whatever you name it.

The Church of Christ are the regenerated ones... Those that have been reborned in the life and nature of GOD.

Those that have washed their robe in the precious blood of "Christ," the scape goat of mankind. These are the church of Christ... HALLELUYAH!

9inches:


That's a truth claim that is based on facts, not a bogus one. Only the Catholic church can interpret and teach the bible fully and can answer ALL questions bordering the Christian faith.

Jehovah witness hold such believe as well in the issue of interpreting the Bible.

GoodMuyis:


It wasn't only Mary that is w/o sin in that Generation, see comentary of Jesus below

(Joh 1:47) Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

I hope u know Jesus was speaking in parable wen he said dat.

bloodofthelamb:


Jehovah witness hold such believe as well in the issue of interpreting the Bible.

Except they cannot credibly substantiate their claims. The "Facts" are not on their side.

solite3:
You mean Mary killed herself? Or was She killed for her faith in Christ? In any case it tells you everybody pertook of the sinful nature of Adam.
Without sin there is no death.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Jesus died because he was carrying the sin of others not his own but even if the apostles where killed for their faith it shows that they have this sinful human nature.
The flesh can not enter heaven do you know why?
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Mary didn't kill herself, or died for the faith,
ARE THOSE THE ONLY WAY IN WHICH CHRISTIANS DIE??
WHAT ABOUT ENOCH?? DID HE DIE??.
JUDE 1 TELLS US THAT MOSES' BODY WAS CONTENDED BETWEEN MICHAEL AND THE DEVIL??
HOW DO YOU EVEN KNOW MARY DIED??
DID THE BIBLE TELL YOU THAT??
DO YOU KNOW WHERE HER GRAVE OR HER BODY IS??

bloodofthelamb:


CHRIST was made a sinner for me and you. My sins was transferred to Christ that is why he died.

Christ died a sinner. But not of his own sins, but of the sins of the world.

AMEN BRO.. WE AGREE WITH YOU..
BUT ACCORDING TO EARLY CHURCH WRITING MARY CHOSE TO DIE NATURALLY BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO GO THROUGH WHAT HER SON AND LORD WENT THROUGH, SHE SAID IF HER SON AND LORD DIED, THEN SHE WOULD GLADLY DO SO IN FOLLOWING HIM...

bloodofthelamb:


Jehovah witness hold such believe as well in the issue of interpreting the Bible.

There's a difference, the Jehovah's witnesses were found in the 19th century while the catholic church is over 2000 years old, So age..
secondly whether you agree or not history tells us that the catholic church compiled the canon of scripture (the new testament) and adopted the old testament (Septuagint) in the councils of Rome (382), Hippo (393) and Carthage (397) by Catholic bishops Augustine, Jerome and Athanasius playing important roles with all the Bishops all over the world, there were no Jehovah's witnesses there, no Redeemed, no deeper life, All those would not exist until the next 1600 years for the Jehovah's witnesses.
SO ACCORDING TO HISTORY, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS MORE CREDIBILITY THAT THE JW

bloodofthelamb:


Lol at mother church... I will keep praying for the liberation of souls held captive in catholic cult.

History proves that the Catholic Church was the only Christian Church for 1000 years, after the great schism of 1054, There was an East -West Split, but their doctrines remained the same, It was in in the 16th century that the Protestant Reformation started, and the Person who started from a rogue catholic priest, In England also, King Henry VIII was also a Catholic before he created the Anglican Church

SO INDEED THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE MOTHER CHURCH BECAUSE ALMOST ALL OTHER CHURCHES BROKE AWAY FROM IT EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY...
IT WAS THE ONLY CHURCH FOR 1500 YEARS..