Jesse01:
Jesus was not convince thorough sex so dat makes him perfect.

OLAADEGBU:
Pope Francis claims angels greeting to Mary as being 'full of grace' meant she was without sin

Dnaz:

Cristiano Ronaldo Jnr was not conceived through sex
So that makes him perfect?

Jesse01:
dis guy dis guy, Jesus birth was by miracle according to Christians (which am not) while d other was done Medical, hw are dey d xame

Dnaz:


In both instances a penis did not enter a vagina

Jesse01:
but one was done by a miracle while d latter was done by man

Dnaz:

Yes just like it was a Miracle that Mary was prevented from sinning because of her important role in our salvation

easymancfc:


There's a fundamental flaw with this argument..
1. You equate being ritually unclean with sin.. being ritually unclean is not sin..
What is Sin, It is breaking God's law, the ten commandments, Evil against God and or neighbour..
Needing to be "purified" after giving birth is not sin..
that is ritual purification.. am sure you won't say that a woman who gave birth is guilty of sin..

according to Jewish custom bearing a children not only a male child makes s woman ritually unclean because of the blood just like menstruation but am sure you won't also say menstruation or giving birth is a sin..
Everything from touching a dead body to menstruating led to ritual impurity, but those things aren’t sins. Christ Himself sat to eat without ritually washing (Luke 11:37-38), and He was pretty explicit in denouncing obsessing over ritual impurity, and conflating it with sin (see, e.g.,
Matthew 15:1-3, 10-20; Luke 11:37-41).

2. The fact that someone obeys a law doesn't make them guilty.. Jesus obeyed many Jewish laws.. he got baptized, he was circumcised to make him part of the covenant God made with Abraham (gen 17:10) that doesn't mean He is not the son of God or that he needed it.. it was just to obey the law..

3. Lastly Leviticus 12 doesn't apply to Mary because Jesus birth was not natural... She just obeyed the law and accepted it . if she did not.. she might be stoned for having a child outside of her husband ..
here's why
Leviticus 12:2 is being translated very loosely here, as it is in many other l English-language Bibles, in saying that the sin offering applies whenever “ a woman conceives , and bears a male child. ” It doesn’t say that. The Hebrew literally says that it applies if “ a woman receives seed, and bears a male child. ”
The Hebrew is clear here:
1. In prophesies about the Virgin Birth, like
Isaiah 7:14, the word used is hareh,
which means “pregnant.”
2. In Leviticus 12:2, that’s not the verb
used. Rather, it’s zara’ , which means “to
sow,” or “to receive seed.” For example,
this is the verb used for sowing
in Genesis 47:23 and Exodus 23:10. In
both Hebrew and English,
In other words, Leviticus 12 only applies to a woman if she’s inseminated. The KJV gets this right, but most translations use the more polite “ conceives. ” Normally, that’s no big deal.
Here, it’s huge, because Mary conceives Jesus, but she was never inseminated .

easymancfc:

Are you saying Jesus was stained all from his birth till he was baptized?? where does the Bible say that??

hadow:
dd u read what I wrote I never said it was written it is derivative

fellowman:


guy Mary was not perfect, kiss the truth, there is none righteous no not one. infact Mary had so many children after conceiving Jesus.

so she's not that perfect as you Catholics are trying to make her look, I'm a Christian but not a Catholic.

Jesse01:
whatever u believe is right who am I to judge

Dnaz:
Thank u

Dnaz:
Yes Mary was without sin. She was a master piece of God, prepared specially to conceive her son. If Mary was stained with original sin, then Jesus who is God himself will dwell in a sinful body . if she wasn't saved beforehand by God from sin then Jesus will be conceived in sin. Jesus got all his Human DNA from Mary. She was saved by the merits of her son Because she is Theotokos. God bearer
Pray to the holy spirit for understanding
Chaire kecharitomene

candelahria:
Jesus got his DNA from Mary?It's stated clearly that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit. Human intermingling of chromosomes has nothing to do with this. Luke 1:35.

candelahria:
Jesus got his DNA from Mary?It's stated clearly that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit. Human intermingling of chromosomes has nothing to do with this. Luke 1:35.

candelahria:
Jesus got his DNA from Mary?It's stated clearly that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit. Human intermingling of chromosomes has nothing to do with this. Luke 1:35.

easymancfc:

Wrong analogy.. It was God who saved her yes.. A person can be saved before they fall into a ditch.. just like they can also be saved after they fall into a ditch..
the Bible itself says God can prevent us from falling
jude 1: 24 Now to him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you without blemish before the presence of his glory with rejoicing, 25 to the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and for ever. Amen..

So you can be saved not only when you are brought out of a hole you fell into.. you can also be saved from falling into that same hole.. and that is exactly what God did for Mary

bloodofthelamb:


Was the mother of Mary a virgin? Mary had a biological father, or i'm wrong? So, how did GOD save her? 8

I am curious to know. Why didn't GOD save us the same way now?

easymancfc:

Mary had a biological Father, his name was Joachim, and her mother was Anne,
Mary is not Jesus so she didn't have to be born of a virgin..
God saved her by applying the grace Christ merited to her at her conception.. like I said in my earlier response, He saved her from falling while he saved us after we have fallen..
God did this specially for Mary because of Jesus Christ.. It is fitting the Eternal divine Son of God who the bible calls Holy (cf luke 1:35) to inhabit the purest vessel just as God descended in the form of the glory cloud on the mercy seat of the ark that was made with the best materials (cf exodus 25:20-22)..
God didn't save us that way because he didn't choose us to bear his Son Jesus Christ..

bloodofthelamb:


Mary was the seed of his Father and there is no way GOD could have prevented her from inheriting that sinful nature from her Father.

You should stop looking for a way to justify your Marian worship.

easymancfc:

So you are saying if someone has a father.. then God cannot save them from sin?..
My dear there is no Marian worship there.. you are the one trying to justify your anti Marian notions..
ITS A PITY YOU LIMIT GOD'S ABILITY TO SAVE SOMEONE TO THEM NOT HAVING A FATHER...
WE BELIEVE IN A GOD WHO CAN DO ALL THINGS..
Jude 1:24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25to the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

bloodofthelamb:


Why did Jesus came into the world through a virgin birth? if having a biogical Father does not mean anything.

Sin is passed down from Father to sons and daughters, and not from Mother to sons and daughters.

bloodofthelamb:


Why did Jesus came into the world through a virgin birth? if having a biogical Father does not mean anything.

Sin is passed down from Father to sons and daughters, and not from Mother to sons and daughters.

Dnaz:

Stop yarning opata
Original sin is contracted from the woman


6 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Psalms 51:6

Dnaz:

Stop yarning opata
Original sin is contracted from the woman


6 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Psalms 51:6

easymancfc:

The Virgin Birth was necessary because Jesus was the Son of God begotten of the Father (cf John 1:14) and he is God himself.. So by that Jesus cannot directly be a Son of a man, since he already has a Father, God...
In essence Jesus cannot both be the Son of God and the direct descendant of a man.. A MAN CANNOT HAVE TWO FATHERS..
Secondly since Jesus is God (john 1:1-2, 20:28).. God cannot have a human Father because then God will be subject to man, because the Father is the head of the household and Sons are subject to their father.. So having a father according to the flesh would bring God under the dominion of man.. WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE..

God can do all things, he can protect someone from sin even if they have a father, and that is exactly what He did... Its called a Miracle and God can do Miracles... God can create someone without sin.. He made the rule.. He can create exceptions..
DON'T PUT HUMAN CONSTRAINTS UPON GOD..

fellowman:


Jesus is not God.

Does the identity of God have to be “a very profound mystery? It did not seem so to Jesus. In his prayer to his Father, Jesus made a clear distinction between him and his Father when he said: “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” (John 17:3 )

donnie:
Big Lie.

Even Mary declared herself a sinner by referring to God as her saviour.

Luke 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.