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| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by bloodofthelamb(m): 8:09am On Dec 14, 2017 |
easymancfc: Any prove of this? |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 8:15am On Dec 14, 2017 |
[quote author=easymancfc post=63264698]it was recorded that Enoch was translated. did you notice that the bible said Enoch was translated ? That is because this sinful nature can not see God. JUDE 1 TELLS US THAT MOSES' BODY WAS CONTENDED BETWEEN MICHAEL AND THE DEVIL??But moses died. HOW DO YOU EVEN KNOW MARY DIED??how do you know zacheus died? Do the bible tell you.that? Do you know where his grave or body is? Whatever the case, No body including Mary can enter heaven with their physical body because it is sinful ( corrupt). 1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 8:24am On Dec 14, 2017 |
easymancfc:Mary can never ever go through what Christ went through. You have contradicted yourself by saying Mary chose to die while at the same time trying to say Mary did not die. The fact that anyone can die is because of sin. If there was no sin there would be no issue of death in the first place, Enoch would not need to have been saved from death, Mary would not need to have died nor the apostles or anyone, sin is the cause of all these. This tells you that All have sinned including Enoch |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 9:27am On Dec 14, 2017 |
solite3:You are arguing with yourself here, I said Mary chose to die naturally because her son died going through dead just like he did.. WHATEVER ELSE YOU THINK IS YOUR PROBLEM.. solite3:No I am not.. I asked a question which you failed to answer, How do you know she died?? How did she die?? And where is she buried.. You claimed she died so answer.. solite3:1. I agree with you.. Sin brought death, but can a person not chose to die?? 2. Jesus purified Christians and all who believe in him from sin yet they also die, Even a person who has been freed from sin and is living a holy life also dies, So there's no contradiction, Jesus saves us from sin, going by your logic any one who is a true christian, freed from sin and is holy then should not die.. MY POINT IS JESUS HAS TAKEN AWAY OUR SIN YET CHRISTIANS ALSO DIE.. solite3:Acording to you ENOCH SINNED BUT HE DID NOT DIE... So that's a contradiction to your statement |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 9:43am On Dec 14, 2017 |
[quote author=solite3 post=63267501][/quote] 1. THE POINT IS THAT ENOCH DIDN'T DIE, AND PLEASE WHERE IS IT RECORDED THAT HE WAS "TRANSLATED" EMPHASIS ON TRANSLATED... 2. YES MOSES DIED, BUT HIS BODY WAS DRAGGED BY THE ANGEL AND THE DEVIL, WHY?? IF THE BODY WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM.. 3. YOU ARE AVOIDING THE QUESTION, ZACHEUS IS OF NOT CONSEQUENCE, BUT AM SURE I CAN FIND OUT ALL THE INFORMATION YOU WANT, YOU SHOULD HAVE USED THE APOSTLES, PETER DIED, AND I KNOW HOW HE DIED AND WHERE HE WAS BURIED, SO DID PAUL, MATHEW, THOMAS ETC I KNOW FROM HISTORY, SO CAN YOU NOW ANSWER MY QUESTION  4. Wrong again, Enoch was taken in his physical body.. The two witnesses were taken with their physical bodies Rev 11:11 But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood up on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up hither!” And in the sight of their foes they went up to heaven in a cloud. And you are correct a corrupt body will not enter heaven, Mary's body was not corrupt.. |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 9:44am On Dec 14, 2017 |
[quote author=solite3 post=63267501][/quote] 1. THE POINT IS THAT ENOCH DIDN'T DIE, AND PLEASE WHERE IS IT RECORDED THAT HE WAS "TRANSLATED" EMPHASIS ON TRANSLATED... 2. YES MOSES DIED, BUT HIS BODY WAS DRAGGED BY THE ANGEL AND THE DEVIL, WHY?? IF THE BODY WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM.. 3. YOU ARE AVOIDING THE QUESTION, ZACHEUS IS OF NOT CONSEQUENCE, BUT AM SURE I CAN FIND OUT ALL THE INFORMATION YOU WANT, YOU SHOULD HAVE USED THE APOSTLES, PETER DIED, AND I KNOW HOW HE DIED AND WHERE HE WAS BURIED, SO DID PAUL, MATHEW, THOMAS ETC I KNOW FROM HISTORY, SO CAN YOU NOW ANSWER MY QUESTION 4. Wrong again, Enoch was taken in his physical body.. The two witnesses were taken with their physical bodies Rev 11:11 But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood up on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up hither!” And in the sight of their foes they went up to heaven in a cloud. And you are correct a corrupt body will not enter heaven, Mary's body was not corrupt.. |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Ochoiho: 1:19pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
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| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Ochoiho: 1:21pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
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| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by GoodMuyis(m): 1:52pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
Jesse01: No he wasn't **speaking in parable wen he said dat** Jesus was speaking of Nathaniel's State of Heart |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 5:06pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
[quote author=Ochoiho post=63276249][/quote] Thanks for your concern.. but its unfounded, Like I have shown you.. God was talking about Idolatry (worshipping) other gods not making images.. You say God made exceptions, I say God can not command a man to do something objectively evil especially in his worship, IF MAKING IMAGES IN THEMSELVES was evil then God would not command them to be made ESPECIALLY IN HIS WORSHIP... GOD IS THE SAME YES YOU ARE RIGHT, SO THE SAME GOD THAT COMMANDED IMAGES TO BE MADE HAS NOT CHANGED, AND HE KNOWS THAT MAKING IMAGES IS NOT OBJECTIVELY SINFUL OR EVIL then THAT'S WHY HE COMNANDED |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 5:10pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
[quote author=Ochoiho post=63276249][/quote] Thanks for your concern.. but its unfounded, Like I have shown you.. God was talking about Idolatry (worshipping) other gods not making images.. You say God made exceptions, I say God can not command a man to do something objectively evil especially in his worship, IF MAKING IMAGES IN THEMSELVES was evil then God would not command them to be made ESPECIALLY IN HIS WORSHIP... GOD IS THE SAME YES YOU ARE RIGHT, SO THE SAME GOD THAT COMMANDED IMAGES TO BE MADE HAS NOT CHANGED, AND HE KNOWS THAT MAKING IMAGES IS NOT OBJECTIVELY SINFUL OR EVIL then THAT'S WHY HE COMMANDED IT TO BE MADE AND USED IN HIS WORSHIP. like I said, you are divorced from historic Christianity, The fact that your less than 400yrs old heresy says so doesn't make it true. I hold the fullness of the Christian faith as taught and practiced for 2000yrs for all times. your new age heresy doesn't count for much.You are deceived and it is a pity you can't see the errors of your man-made Church. AND FINALLY HONOUR AND WORSHIP ARE DIFFERENT THINGS.. |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 5:11pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
[quote author=easymancfc post=63269489]you are not making sense, Mary did not die?,where is Mary today? Stop being emotional. No I am not.. I asked a question which you failed to answer, How do you know she died?? How did she die?? And where is she buried.. You claimed she died so answer..you argument is lame! Is Mary still alive today? where is she? Unless you say Mary didn't die,of which you will provide proof. 1. I agree with you.. Sin brought death, but can a person not chose to die??Christians die because they still posses the sin nature. Read Romans 7. Romans 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Chrisistians still posses the sin nature. Acording to you ENOCH SINNED BUT HE DID NOT DIE... So that's a contradiction to your statement.he did not die because God took him of God had not took him he would have died because he inherited a sinful nature just like other men. |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 5:38pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
solite3:LOL.. see who's talking about being emotional, like I said earlier, you are arguing with yourself.. Here's what I said... easymancfc:Am not arguing with you.. You made a statement that Mary died because she is s sinner, am merely asking you to prove your premise.. So I ask again, 1. Where did she die 2. How did she die?? 3. Where was she buried?? 4. Where are her remains?? I never claimed Mary didn't die so I have nothing to prove.. I await your answer.. solite3: How can they still be affected by the consequence of Sin after they have freed from sin.. Anyway there's still the problem of choice, Jesus chose to die, He didn't have to.. So a person who cannot die can choose to... solite3:You're right, he would have died, but He did not, So there's a contradiction.. So not everyone who has sin or "sin nature" dies... So why won't people who don't have sin die?? Especially if they choose to?? |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 5:39pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
[quote author=easymancfc post=63269489]stop being emotional show maturity please. No Mary has no power to choose whether to die or not. OK if Mary is not dead where is she? 1. I agree with you.. Sin brought death, but can a person not chose to die??you don't have that choice, only God can do that only Jesus has power over death. 2. Jesus purified Christians and all who believe in him from sin yet they also die, Even a person who has been freed from sin and is living a holy life also dies, So there's no contradiction, Jesus saves us from sin, going by your logic any one who is a true christian, freed from sin and is holy then should not die..Christ has taken away the judgement of sin that was placed upon those who believe in him does not mean the they don't have the sin nature. Acording to you ENOCH SINNED BUT HE DID NOT DIE... So that's a contradiction to your statementenoch was taken by God's own decision not Enoch's decision. If God had not translated Enoch he would have died like everyone else. |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 5:50pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
easymancfc:you are the one that should be providing proof. Biologically it is not possible for someone to be alive for 2000 years plus, without dying. The proof that Mary is still alive is on you. Enoch didn't choose not to die, God just took him away not because he cannot die, you have no point at all. |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 5:58pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
solite3: Like I said, whatever else's you think is your problem.. EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO CHOSE, IT'S CALLED FREEWIL.. THE CHOICE WAS OFFERED TO HER AND SHE MADE IT.. solite3:Answer the question I asked, don't try to turn it around, Like I said, I have nothing to prove.. You made the statement so prove it. solite3:You are right.. I don't.. But a person who has been purified from sin and the effects of sin by God died especially if offered the choice.. solite3:So he only took away the judgement?? Why then did he say be holy as your heavenly father is?? Why did he give us the holy spirit?? Is it not to over the sin nature?? solite3:You're right... Enoch would have died.. But the point is HE WASN'T. MEANING GOD IS NOT LIMITED.. HE CAN CHOSE TO LET SOMEONE WHO HAS SIN NATURE NOT SEE DEATH AND GIVE A CHOICE TO SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T.. |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 6:05pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
solite3: LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I DONT HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING, YOU SAID MARY DIED.. I SAY HOW DID SHE DIE, WHERE DID SHE AND WHERE ARE HER REMAINS, I DIDN'T TELL YOU SHE DIDN'T DIE, YOU MADE THAT ASSUMPTION.. AND P.S. I DONT LIMIT GOD'S POWER TO WHAT BIOLOGY SAYS.. BIOLOGICALLY IT IS ALSO IMPOSSIBLE FOR A PERSON TO DIE AND RESURRECT AFTER THREE DAYS, JESUS.. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A PERSON TO BE RESURRECTED AFTER BEING DEAD AND STINKING FOR FOUR DAYS.. Lazarus IT IS ALSO BIOLOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A WITHERED HAND TO GROW INSTANTLY OUT OF NOTHING.. lesson.. God is not limited by biology.. |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 6:21pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
How can they still be affected by the consequence of Sin after they have freed from sin..the effect of sin was already there before Christ came. Anyway there's still the problem of choice, Jesus chose to die, He didn't have to.. So a person who cannot die can choose to...Jesus could die because he took the sin of the world on him. Without sin Jesus cannot die. A prisoner who is sentenced to death has no choice concerning his condition. But a free man can choose to have a sentence of death or not. The day sin entered into the world men lost the choice to live or not because all are guilty including Mary or Enoch. |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 6:49pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
solite3:Jesus made the choice to be the sacrifice of our atonement, He chose to.. Sin does not limit God's power, He is all powerful.. MARY HAD A CHOICE TO BECAUSE, GOD FREED HER FROM SIN.. solite3:Yes Mary was free from sin by the Grace of God being perfected by God in grace.. So she does have a choice.. Here's a question though. Are you saying after our liberation by the cross of Christ we are still sentenced... solite3:Exactly, Enoch was guilty of sin, He wasn't full of grace or perfected in grace.. Mary was giving her the choice... |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 6:53pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
[quote author=easymancfc post=63283725]lol ur ignorance is astonishing, which choice was offered to Mary? When was the choice offers? Did your great grand father choose to die? You only have choice to accept the gift of eternal life by believing in Jesus or reject him. You can't choose to stay alive forever Answer the question I asked, don't try to turn it around, Like I said, I have nothing to prove.. You made the statement so prove it.I am not oblige to answer your unreasonable questions. your are right.. I don't.. But a person who has been purified from sin and the effects of sin [/b]by God died especially if offered the choice..@ bold that is a lie the effect of sin will continue till Christ will come. A person who has no sin don't need to be So he only took away the judgement?? Why then did he say be holy as your heavenly father is?? Why did he give us the holy spirit?? Is it not to over the sin nature??I hate going round in circles please reread my previous posts [ b]u're right... Enoch would have died..@ bold why would Enoch have to die if not the presence of sin? God didn't give Enoch a choice he took him. |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 6:56pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
You said Mary didn't have a corrupt nature. Now the question ia , Was Mary a daughter of Adam? |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 7:12pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
lol ur ignorance solite3:See who's talking about ignorance, you have no clue... Like I said Mary was offered the choice and she willingly died to follow her Son in everything.. No My Grandfather wasn't given the choice because he was not perfected in grace.. Mary was.. You're right, everyone does not have the choice, only the Mother of Jesus whom God perfected in grace does... solite3:You are.. You made a claim.. I asked you to provide positive evidence, unless you can't and you are avoiding it.. solite3:It's not, Mary was called full of grace.. Perfected in grace.. The effects of sin continue in those who were not perfected in Grace.. An exception was made for Mary because of Christ.. solite3:You said Christ only took the judgement for our sins. Not the effect .. So which is it?? Does the holy spirit help us overcome that nature or not solite3:Yes he did, because God didn't perfect Enoch in grace and Enoch didnt bear the son of God made man.. |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 7:18pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
solite3:She was but she was perfected in grace from the moment of her conception, Original sin is not something that is passed in semen, it is a lack of something, a lack of grace.. and as the angel said to her, She was "kecharitomene" already perfected in grace.. |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 7:35pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
[quote author=easymancfc post=63284942] you re just making up claims from your head, did God free Mary from her sin because she was righteous or because of the sacrifice of Jesus? Anybody who who receive Jesus is automatically freed from sin. Jesus choose to die because he was the Son of God not Son of Adam. sin does not limit God's power but if anyone,including Mary says he had no sin then he is a liar. 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us . 1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. Mary cannot stand before God and say she has no sin. Yes Mary was free from sin by the Grace of God being perfected by God in grace.. So she does have a choice..it seems you don't know the meaning of grace, please go and look for the meaning of grace and stop disgracing yourself. The Only choice Mary or others have is either to accept Christ or not. Sentence as how? Christ has set those who believe on him free from eternal condemnation, death itself is the last enemy to be destroyed.1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. It is not of you to question God's order of doing things Exactly, Enoch was guilty of sin, He wasn't full of grace or perfected in grace.. Mary was giving her the choice...wow you pronounce Enoch guilt while Mary sinnless. Why will Mary who was 'sinnless' need to be perfected again. BTW , there is no scripture that says Mary was full of grace only Jesus was full of grace. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) [b]full of grace [/b]and truth. |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 7:58pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
[ quote author=easymancfc post=63285442]lol ur ignorance@ bold lol Jesus died on the cross, did Mary die on the cross? Jesus was given forty strokes, how many was Mary given? Jesus died and resurrect after three days, did Mary died and resurrect like Christ? Jesus ascended to heaven, did Mary ascend to heaven? Jesus was the Son of God who was Mary? From your statement everyone can see you are a liar and an Antichrist like your father the devil who compared himself to God. No My Grandfather wasn't given the choice because he was not perfected in grace.. Mary was..do you have evidence for this. Provide one. Mary perfected in grace? Explain! You're right, everyone does not have the choice, only the Mother of Jesus whom God perfected in grace does...how was Mary perfected in grace? What do you mean that God perfected mary in grace? You are.. You made a claim.. I asked you to provide positive evidence, unless you can't and you are avoiding it..I have answered you already. It's not, Mary was called full of grace.. Perfected in grace..Mary was never full of grace only Christ was. Did Mary experience birth pangs during child birth? If yes, that means Mary was not an exception. You said Christ only took the judgement for our sins. Not the effect .. So which is it?? Does the holy spirit help us overcome that nature or notyou are not making sense Yes he did, because God didn't perfect Enoch in grace and Enoch didnt bear the son of God made man..you are not making sense |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 8:06pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
solite3: Mary was saved from ever committing by God's grace.. solite3:Yes indeed.. Mary had the choice because God graced and purified her to be the Mother of his Son.. solite3: GOD PURIFIED HER FROM SIN SO SHE HAS NO SIN BECAUSE GOD PERFECTED HER IN GRACE.. WE HAVE NOT YET BEEN PERFECTED IN GRACE BECAUSE WE were not given the honour of favour to be Jesus' Mother so indeed if we say we have no sin we are liars.. solite3:Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared for the salvation of all men, 12 training us to renounce irreligion and worldly passions, and to live sober, upright, and godly lives in this world solite3: You are right, She accepted to bear Christ, but she was called "already perfected in grace" even before she was told she would bear Christ and she accepted.. solite3: We have already established that not everybody dies... solite3:That's more for your than me, because you think God is limited by nature or sin.. Death is the order yet not all die.. Sin is the order, why can't God create an exception.. solite3: You have been doing that since, why is it news now.. solite3:Actually there is.. Luke 1:28... The more correct translation is not even full of grace but already perfected in grace... |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 8:13pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
[quote author=easymancfc post=63285590] You make claim without proof, why did she go for cleansing after she delivered? Original sin is not something that is passed in semen,[s] it is a lack of something, a lack of grace.. and as the angel said to her, She was "kecharitomene" already perfected in grace..[/s]God you sound dumb! if original sin can't be passed from man why was Jesus born without the impute of human father. |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 9:00pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
[quote author=easymancfc post=63286650]God saved Mary who already had the sinful nature from commuting sin, It is like stoping someone who is already stained with Mudd from staining himself. Lol Yes indeed.. Mary had the choice because God graced and purified her to be the Mother of his Son..and yet she went to the temple for cleansing after birth. lol @ bold so GOD PURIFIED MARY FROM SIN ' means Mary had sin. That means Mary was also a sinner. So until we all give birth to Jesus before we can be perfect. So the blood of Jesus shed on the cross of calvary cannot perfect us. By what means was Mary sin forgiven? Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared for the salvation of all men, 12 training us to renounce irreligion and worldly passions, and to live sober, upright, and godly lives in this worldThis verse is for you. You have allowed religion to blind fold you so that you deny the truth You are right, She accepted to bear Christ, but she was called "already perfected in grace" even before she was told she would bear Christ and she accepted..yet you couldn't explain what it means to be perfected by grace neither do you know what grace is! Shm We have already established that not everybody dies...how many of you came to that conclusion? Without God's intervention everybody will die because all have sinned. Note God's intervention was the sacrifice of Jesus Christ made on the cross in which he tasted death once and for all for every man. It does not rule out the fact that sin brought death which Christ overcame. That's more for your than me, because you think God is limited by nature or sin..God is not limited by our sin but he is a righteous God who cannot rule out his justice. Jesus came to die for sinners, Mary was among the sinners Christ died for. You have been doing that since, why is it news now..and yet you couldn't post the verse, if possible post the original Greek words. Stop deceiving yourself this is what Luke 1:28,said . it never said Mary was full of grace Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 9:04pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
solite3:Lol.. I see you have been reduced to grasping at straws.. Leaving the main issue To look for anything to hang on to.. Mary chose to die.. Because her Son and Lord died.. Deal with it.. Don't look for things that are besides the point to attack.. solite3:Luke 1:28 uses the Greek word Kecharitome and no. It doesn't just mean he ghly favoured.. Luke 1: 28 "Hail, ( kecharitomene: one who has always been full of grace), the Lord is with you. Blessed you among women." Kecharitomene, the perfect passive participle, shows a completeness with a with permanent result. Kecharitomene denotes continuance of a completed action (H. W. Smyth, Greek Grammar (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1968 ) 108-109, sec 1852:b) (Blass and DeBrunner p.175.) solite3:No you haven't... Answer the question solite3:Your answer is above.. solite3:Lol.. How would I.. When you have closed your reasoning.. solite3:You've closed your brain so I don't expect it to make sense to you... |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 9:31pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
[quote author=solite3 post=63287993][/quote] 1. Mary wasn't stained, that's the point.. She was saved from being stained in the first place.. Its like you don't even know what you are arguing against.. Lol 2. YES SHE DID.. AS PART OF CUSTOM..and the people of the time would have stoned her if she proclaimed she had a son outside her marriage, most would not even believe she was carrying Gods son... Ritual uncleanliness does not. equate to sin.. Jesus was circumcised, and baptized.. yet he never sinned.. 3. No it doesn't, you are the one reading that into it.. GOD SAVED HER FROM SIN, I SEE YOU LIKE LOOKING FOR LANGUAGE FLAW .. SHE WAS PRESERVED FROM SIN.. SPECIALLY PREPARED FOR HER PURPOSE.. 4. WE CANNOT ALL GIVE BIRTH TO JESUS.. BUT THE ONE WHO GAVE BIRYJ TO JESUS HAD TO BE PRESERVED TO BE A BEFITTING VESSEL. MARY WAS PERFECTED SPECIALLY BECAUSE OUT OF EVERYBODY WHO EVER LIVED, SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE TO BEAR GOD'S SON.. AND SHE WAS PREPARED for that purpose.. 5. you asked for the meaning of grace which I have shown.. you are the one who has blinded yourself from truth because of your modern day religion.. 6. I have shown you what grace means but you chose to blind yourself to it. 7.. yes we have.. Enoch didn't die, those who would be alive at the end won't either.. God is responsible for all situations but the point still remains that not everybody dies.. 8. God is not limited by Sin, He is not bound by time either, He can apply the merits of the cross anywhere in time He chooses to.. 9. The correct translation is not highly favoured, the fact that your translations have watered it down doesn't diminish the meaning .. Luke 1:28 uses the Greek word Kecharitome and no. It doesn't just mean highly favoured.. Luke 1: 28 "Hail, ( kecharitomene: one who has always been full of grace), the Lord is with you. Blessed you among women." Kecharitomene, the perfect passive participle, shows a completeness with a with permanent result. Kecharitomene denotes continuance of a completed action (H. W. Smyth, Greek Grammar (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1968 ) 108-109, sec 1852:b) (Blass and DeBrunner p.175.) |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 9:40pm On Dec 14, 2017 |
[quote author=solite3 post=63286807][/quote] YOU'RE THE DUMB ONE, HOW CAN JESUS HAVE A FATHER ACCORDING TO THE FLESH WHEN HE IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD?? CAN SOMEONE HAVE TWO FATHERS |
| Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 12:08am On Dec 15, 2017 |
[ quote author=easymancfc post=63288893]Was Mary a daughter of Adam? 2. YES SHE DID.. AS PART OF CUSTOM..and the people of the time would have stoned her if she proclaimed she had a son outside her marriage, most would not even believe she was carrying Gods son... Ritual uncleanliness does not. equate to sin.. Jesus was circumcised, and baptized.. yet he never sinned..OK no problem about that 3. No it doesn't, you are the one reading that into it.. GOD SAVED HER FROM SIN, I SEE YOU LIKE LOOKING FOR LANGUAGE FLAW .. SHE WAS PRESERVED FROM SIN.. SPECIALLY PREPARED FOR HER PURPOSE..answer the question above. 4. WE CANNOT ALL GIVE BIRTH TO JESUS.. BUT THE ONE WHO GAVE BIRYJ TO JESUS HAD TO BE PRESERVED TO BE A BEFITTING VESSEL. MARY WAS PERFECTED SPECIALLY BECAUSE OUT OF EVERYBODY WHO EVER LIVED, SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE TO BEAR GOD'S SON.. AND SHE WAS PREPARED for that purpose..the only requirement for Christ to be born is that the vessel will be a virgin and there where many who were also qualify to be Christ verse.Mary had no special quality above any other Jewish woman. 5. you asked for the meaning of grace which I have shown.. you are the one who has blinded yourself from truth because of your modern day religion..post the meaning of grace. Modern day religion? Whether modern or old, religion will not take you anywhere 6. I have shown you what grace means but you chose to blind yourself to it.post it again 7.. yes we have.. Enoch didn't die, those who would be alive at the end won't either.. God is responsible for all situations but the point still remains that not everybody dies..not everybody died, yes but all are under the penalty of sin which is death 8. God is not limited by Sin, He is not bound by time either, He can apply the merits of the cross anywhere.was Mary a sinner saved by grace? Was Mary among those whom Christ died? Was Mary not a daughter of Adam? 9. The correct translation is not highly favoured, the fact that your translations have watered it down doesn't diminish the meaning ..you went to an antichristian site to pick something that fill your own lust. Answer my question first |
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