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Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by saintmark88(m): 2:14am On Dec 13, 2017 |
bencr7: Talk sensibly if u want my attention |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Ochoiho: 12:12pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
[quote author=easymancfc post=63221467][/quote] Am so sorry for you people. Solomon included an image of a cherubim in the temple according to the pattern for the sanctuary as shown to Moses by God on the mountain Acts 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of the testimony with them in the wilderness. It was constructed exactly as God had directed Moses, according to the pattern he had seen. Exodus 37:6-8"He made the atonement cover of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 7 Then he made two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 8 He made one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; at the two ends he made them of one piece with the cover'. God gave the above specification for building His Sanctuary, Moses and Solomon followed this specific instruction to include the image of the Cherubim above the Mercy Seat. Apart from that of the Cherubim, which other Image did Solomon included in the Temple? Can you also show me where the children of Israel where seen 'honouring' the Image of the Cherubim included in the Temple. Is it that you people lack basic understanding or the church only look out for what to hold unto to commit this terrible Idolatry sin before God? You that is reading this, there is still opportunity for you to repent. Please think about this with an open mind, come out of Catholic before its too late for you. Dont said its my church, all church belong to Jesus but Catholic belongs to the Devil. |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Ochoiho: 12:29pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
saintmark88: Eya a a, so this is your sound understanding of the scripture. I;ll take time to explain to you not to 'shame' you but believing that God will give you understanding so you can come out of this cult call Catholic. Time is running out. The only image included in the Temple that Solomon built was that of the Cherubim. That is the parttern for building the temple as was shown to Moses on the mountain. Acts 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of the testimony with them in the wilderness. It was constructed exactly as God had directed Moses, according to the pattern he had seen See the Tabernacle as was built by Moses, Solomon only followed the parttern, anything short of that is not acceptable. Exodus 37:6-8"He made the atonement cover of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 7 Then he made two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 8 He made one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; at the two ends he made them of one piece with the cover'. Apart from that of the Cherubim, which other Image did Solomon included in the Temple? Can you also show me where the children of Israel where seen 'honouring' the Image of the Cherubim included in the Temple. Is it that you people lack basic understanding or the church only look out for what to hold unto to commit this terrible Idolatry sin before God? Please repent while you still have the opportunity |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Dnaz(m): 1:24pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Ochoiho:Satan is playing ping pong with ur brain |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Dnaz(m): 1:30pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Catholic church is the mother church The one true church of Christ Proof is its 2000yr history She birthed the Canon of the Christian Bible U r a Christian because of her She is the true bride if Christ The gates of hell ll never prevail over her |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Ochoiho: 2:11pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Dnaz: This your bogus claim wouldn't take you anywhere. Please think about eternity and give your life to christ |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Ochoiho: 2:13pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Dnaz: One day you'll know what Satan has done to you and the entire Catholic Church. I hope that time come before it is too late |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by saintmark88(m): 2:51pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Ochoiho:To point put ur contradiction and lies in order to continue in bashing want u clearly lack understanding on Y r u contradicting urself.... U said images in church is idolatry, I said no its not...Solomon built images in the temple he built for God and God accepted it....... After defeating that earlier false statement, u r now saying there was only one image...the number of images does that matter Secondly u said God gave Solomon the instruction to make an image of a winged cherubim. Hmm!!!!!!....but I tot making image is idolatry.....so r u saying God is asking pple to be idolaters 1 Like |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Dnaz(m): 3:00pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Ochoiho: My life belongs to Christ. Stop being an agent of the devil, swallow your pride and return to the mother Church |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Dnaz(m): 3:02pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Ochoiho:Satan and his Cohorts like u have always tried to trample the Catholic church. But the gates of hell will never prevail Repent and Reject Satan and all his evil antics or u ll burn in hell |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 4:29pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
[quote author=Dnaz post=63225660] Mary considered being the mother of the mesiah as a favour done to her done to her despite she not meriting it. Mary could not have rejected such favour if she does the favour could have gone to another. My question is, why do you praise Mary for receiving a favour. She also suffered with Jesus as The Prophet Simeon prophesiedthat verse referred to what Mary will feel as a result of what happen to Christ It is normal, no mother will feel great seeing what their child go through what Mary went through many women go through it, hers is not special. Nobody has claimed Mary is divine . its only ur wrong judgementask your pope and your Satan's church? And Yes God saved Mary from sinning. She was SinlessGod saved Mary from sinning? Which sin please? If Mary had no sin, she would not need God to save her. Was Mary not a child of Adam? reason why she sayed my soul rejoice in God my Saviour( past tense)you are not making sense, where is the past tense there? D fact that Mary died is a fact that Mary was a sinner just like you. |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Ochoiho: 4:35pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
saintmark88: Its contradictory to you because your mind is made up to be deceived. I wish you good luck. I wish you understand the statement of Jesus that those that now worship God must do so 'in spirit and in truth' I wonder why you are not slaughtering lamb, Goat and other animals as obtained in the Old Testament but bent on making and 'honouring' images of dead saint because that of Cherubim was included by God as pattern for the Sanctuary. Sorry, am out |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Dnaz(m): 6:00pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
[quote author=solite3 post=63251315][/quote] U ll try to teach someone but they prefer ignorance. Oya perish in ur ignorance |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 6:15pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
[quote author=solite3 post=63251315][/quote] Jesus died... Is Jesus a sinner too |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 6:36pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Ochoiho:No disrespect to you.. but you show ignorance even though you claim you want to teach.. YOU SAY DONT MAKE STATUES, WE SHOWED YOU THAT GOD COMMANDED STATUES TO BE MADE... SOLOMON MADE STATUES IN THE TEMPLE YOU SAID SOLOMON BROUGHT IDOLATRY.. WE SHOWED YOU THAT HIS IDOLATRY IS NOT IN MAKING IMAGES IN THE TEMPLE WHICH GOD ACCEPTED AND CONSECRATED BUT IN SERVING PAGAN GODS.. NOW YOU SAY ONLY ONE IMAGE OF CHERUBIM WAS COMMANDED BY GOD.. for your information.. Not only the image of the cherubim was made, images of PALM TREES, GOURDS, FLOWERS were also made in the temple.. (cf 1 kings 6).. And the cherubim was not only made in the sanctuary, it was also carved on the walls and doors along with the images of flowers and palm trees(v 29 and v 32, 35)... Not to mention the image of a bronze serpent (numbers 21: which was a prefigurement of Jesus Christ (john 3:14).. AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION, WE DONT HONOUR IMAGES, WE HONOUR THE PEOPLE THEY REPRESENT, and there's nothing wrong with that.. the bible instructs us to give honour to whom it is due (rom 13:7).. To give respect to a symbol because of what it represents is not idolatry.. Nigerians salute the flag.. the Parliamentarians respect the Mace.. Nigerian Army soldiers salute memorials and statues of national heroes.. ITS COMMON SENSE WORSHIP IS IN THE HEART.. IT IS MANIFESTED IN OUTWARD SIGNS BUT IT COMES FROM THE HEART.. HONOURING SOMEONE IS DIFFERENT FROM WORSHIPPING THEM.. AND HONOURING SOMEONE DOES NOT EQUATE TO IDOLATRY IF THAT S THE CASE THEN WE WOULD ALL BE GUILTY.. |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 6:52pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Ochoiho:AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES NOT BELONG TO THE DEVIL, IT IS THE CHURCH CHRIST FOUNDED ON THE APOSTLES THAT HAD BEEN DOING THE WORK OF. GOD THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE. YOUR MUSHROOM DENOMINATION WAS FOUNDED BY A MAN.. This can be verified by history and the testimony of the early Christians and some disciplines of the apostles.. Go and read Church history, The Church was one before 1054, then two but still united in doctrine and practice it was in 1517 that the chain reaction of division in Christianity started and division continued until your mushroom denomination was found.. SO YOU ARE IGNORANT OF 1800 years of Church history.. THE CHURCH DIDNT END IN ACTS 28 AND RESUMED WITH YOUR DENOMINATION IT CONTINUED THROUGHOUT TIME AND JESUS HAS BEEN PROTECTING IT.. AS HE PROMISED IN Mathew 28:20 b and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.. and PRESERVING IT AS HE PROMISED IN Mathew 16: 18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 7:05pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
easymancfc:Jesus died because of our sin. Why did Mary die? |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by GoodMuyis(m): 7:06pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Jesse01: It wasn't only Mary that is w/o sin in that Generation, see comentary of Jesus below (Joh 1:47) Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by 9inches(m): 7:12pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Ochoiho: That's a truth claim that is based on facts, not a bogus one. Only the Catholic church can interpret and teach the bible fully and can answer ALL questions bordering the Christian faith. |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 7:13pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
solite3: The point is he died, He was nailed, flogged and pierced and his body died because of the wounds and pain, Mary died because she wanted to follow her son's footsteps... |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by bloodofthelamb(m): 9:49pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Dnaz: Lol at mother church... I will keep praying for the liberation of souls held captive in catholic cult. |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 9:51pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
easymancfc:You mean Mary killed herself? Or was She killed for her faith in Christ? In any case it tells you everybody pertook of the sinful nature of Adam. Without sin there is no death. Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Jesus died because he was carrying the sin of others not his own but even if the apostles where killed for their faith it shows that they have this sinful human nature. The flesh can not enter heaven do you know why? 1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by bloodofthelamb(m): 10:07pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
easymancfc: CHRIST was made a sinner for me and you. My sins was transferred to Christ that is why he died. Christ died a sinner. But not of his own sins, but of the sins of the world. |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by bloodofthelamb(m): 10:30pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Note: The church of Christ is not a denomination like Catholic, Jehovah witness, Winners, Redeem, Mountain of Fire and whatever you name it. The Church of Christ are the regenerated ones... Those that have been reborned in the life and nature of GOD. Those that have washed their robe in the precious blood of "Christ," the scape goat of mankind. These are the church of Christ... HALLELUYAH! |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by bloodofthelamb(m): 10:37pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
9inches: Jehovah witness hold such believe as well in the issue of interpreting the Bible. |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by Nobody: 10:38pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
GoodMuyis:I hope u know Jesus was speaking in parable wen he said dat. 5 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by 9inches(m): 11:16pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
bloodofthelamb: Except they cannot credibly substantiate their claims. The "Facts" are not on their side. |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 6:05am On Dec 14, 2017 |
solite3:Mary didn't kill herself, or died for the faith, ARE THOSE THE ONLY WAY IN WHICH CHRISTIANS DIE?? WHAT ABOUT ENOCH?? DID HE DIE??. JUDE 1 TELLS US THAT MOSES' BODY WAS CONTENDED BETWEEN MICHAEL AND THE DEVIL?? HOW DO YOU EVEN KNOW MARY DIED?? DID THE BIBLE TELL YOU THAT?? DO YOU KNOW WHERE HER GRAVE OR HER BODY IS?? |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 6:10am On Dec 14, 2017 |
bloodofthelamb:AMEN BRO.. WE AGREE WITH YOU.. BUT ACCORDING TO EARLY CHURCH WRITING MARY CHOSE TO DIE NATURALLY BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO GO THROUGH WHAT HER SON AND LORD WENT THROUGH, SHE SAID IF HER SON AND LORD DIED, THEN SHE WOULD GLADLY DO SO IN FOLLOWING HIM... |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 6:19am On Dec 14, 2017 |
bloodofthelamb:There's a difference, the Jehovah's witnesses were found in the 19th century while the catholic church is over 2000 years old, So age.. secondly whether you agree or not history tells us that the catholic church compiled the canon of scripture (the new testament) and adopted the old testament (Septuagint) in the councils of Rome (382), Hippo (393) and Carthage (397) by Catholic bishops Augustine, Jerome and Athanasius playing important roles with all the Bishops all over the world, there were no Jehovah's witnesses there, no Redeemed, no deeper life, All those would not exist until the next 1600 years for the Jehovah's witnesses. SO ACCORDING TO HISTORY, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS MORE CREDIBILITY THAT THE JW |
Re: Pope Claims Angels Greeting Mary As Being Full Of Grace Meant She Is Without Sin by easymancfc(m): 6:34am On Dec 14, 2017 |
bloodofthelamb:History proves that the Catholic Church was the only Christian Church for 1000 years, after the great schism of 1054, There was an East -West Split, but their doctrines remained the same, It was in in the 16th century that the Protestant Reformation started, and the Person who started from a rogue catholic priest, In England also, King Henry VIII was also a Catholic before he created the Anglican Church SO INDEED THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE MOTHER CHURCH BECAUSE ALMOST ALL OTHER CHURCHES BROKE AWAY FROM IT EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY... IT WAS THE ONLY CHURCH FOR 1500 YEARS.. |
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